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Feature request

I think we need a moderator setting that allows everyone a turn at moderating the sidebar.  You get a day or two to pick your favorite funny, snarky, or profound remarks.  Otherwise, the sidebar reflects a one-sided view of our little forum.

I would enjoy seeing what people here pick for the sidebar.  It would be an interesting look into the personalities here.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
April 19th, 2006 2:33pm
This is certainly something I've thought of; I like the open nature of the idea.  I'm just not sure how to implement it in a way that wouldn't be a contest to see who can race to the bottom first.
Permalink Send private email Almost H. Anonymous 
April 19th, 2006 2:38pm
Good idea!
Permalink Send private email كولم 
April 19th, 2006 2:38pm
Moderate it just like you do the posts, and limit the length and characters allowed.  Limit the box to the text area underneath the official links.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
April 19th, 2006 2:39pm
Ok.  That's not a bad idea.

So the question is, how to be select people to be able to edit the sitebar?  I'd like to avoid sidebar wars or first post wars.
Permalink Send private email Almost H. Anonymous 
April 19th, 2006 2:41pm
Email? Just change the password every day at midnight and email it to a new person.
Permalink [√] Bruce Dickenson 
April 19th, 2006 2:43pm
One person at a time gets the sidebar mod of the day or week.  Not sure how to implement the security on that since I haven't looked at the code since the first days.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
April 19th, 2006 2:43pm
Limit it to only accepting 1 post per 4 hours.

Also have it search for the text in forum posts as a form of validation. To be a valid sidebar it must first be said in the forum.
Permalink Send private email I am Jack's elitist eleoma 
April 19th, 2006 2:43pm
You could also make it sort of random as to when it would accept a new one so people didn't just keep trying.

Some people may try to script it, but you can always pull it off if it's a nuisance.
Permalink Send private email I am Jack's elitist eleoma 
April 19th, 2006 2:44pm
what about a user-specific sidebar?  just drag-n-drop whatever text you want into the sidebar, and lo! it stays there.  tres web2.0...
Permalink Send private email John Haren 
April 19th, 2006 2:44pm
"To be a valid sidebar it must first be said in the forum."

heh.  Regexp opportunity.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
April 19th, 2006 2:44pm
No, it should be free choice, anything the poster chooses. You may want to restrict IMG or EMBED tags, though. We don't need an instantly loading MP3 of Peanut Butter Jelly Time.
Permalink [√] It's Peanut Butter Jelly.. 
April 19th, 2006 2:44pm
"what about a user-specific sidebar?  just drag-n-drop whatever text you want into the sidebar, and lo! it stays there.  tres web2.0..."

I think that should be in addition to the original idea.  What we post for others is different than what we post for our own viewing, no?
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
April 19th, 2006 2:45pm
How about a lo-tech solution? the sidebar has the quote and the name of tommorow's person. They can then email AHA and he can put it up himself.
Permalink Send private email كولم 
April 19th, 2006 2:45pm
How... low tech.
Permalink Send private email I am Jack's elitist eleoma 
April 19th, 2006 2:46pm
Oh, I know. At random points throughout the day, anyone who posts gets an opportunity to reset and receive the new password. Once that happens they have a full 24-36 hours:

Congradulations, you've been randomly selected to edit the sidebar.

[Click Here] to reset the current password and view the new one.

Once the password is reset, it will stay reset for 24 hours before being randomly assigned to a new person.

Have fun!
Permalink [√] It's Peanut Butter Jelly.. 
April 19th, 2006 2:47pm
Congratulations. Blah. You already know I can't spell.
Permalink [√] I Dont kneed no spill chic 
April 19th, 2006 2:48pm
>How... low tech.

Very web 0.9, isn't it?
Permalink Send private email كولم 
April 19th, 2006 2:49pm
Numbering abstract ideas in that way is so very 2003.
Permalink [√] I commute by subway 
April 19th, 2006 2:50pm
Retro-chic, baby.
Permalink Send private email كولم 
April 19th, 2006 2:51pm
The problems with the one-person-at-time model is that the person will feel a very strong need to post a sidebar.  We'll have a lot more sidebar changes (a good thing) but also many unnecessary ones just so they get their chance.

The email idea isn't bad but it does a lot of extra complexity to the site.  You'd have to fill out a form and the site would have to store your address in order to semi-randomly pick someone.  You'd need some way to change your address or opt-out later.  The whole thing doesn't fit well with how this site runs.

"Not sure how to implement the security on that since I haven't looked at the code since the first days."

There is a temporary identity coding in (it's used for things like showing you your own deleted posts).  It's not very strong but it probably doesn't have to be.

"Also have it search for the text in forum posts as a form of validation. To be a valid sidebar it must first be said in the forum."

Do we want that restriction?  Only quotes allowed?  If so, a simpler model might allow anyone to nominate a post for a sidebar (which they can edit for brevity) and even automatically provide a link to the post.  This might allow things to be even more open.  Anyone can do it.
Permalink Send private email Almost H. Anonymous 
April 19th, 2006 2:52pm
A scoop-like voting system for the sidebar?

No way, the sidebar is most/only entertaining when it's unexpected.

So limit the changes to 1 per x period of time.
Permalink [√] kuro5hin 
April 19th, 2006 2:54pm
Why not just display a random post every once in awhile?
Permalink DJ 
April 19th, 2006 2:56pm
No voting...  you just click to make a post a sidebar.

If the sidebar has been changed recently then maybe it gets queued up with a reasonable algorithm for picking/discarding items from the queue.
Permalink Send private email Almost H. Anonymous 
April 19th, 2006 2:57pm
What about a system where you can vote, but the tallied votes don't show?
Permalink Send private email كولم 
April 19th, 2006 2:58pm
Anonymous submissions that the moderators can approve or disapprove? With a queuing system? Free supersize upgrade with purchase? Offer valid only at participating Fruitshows?
Permalink [√] Are we taking the fun out 
April 19th, 2006 2:58pm
NO! Keep the sidebar overlords. Democracy is for pussies.
Permalink Send private email TomIsMyNemesis 
April 19th, 2006 3:06pm
My 0.5€:

Create a fixed thread that won't scroll to the bottom. Allow us to post there for as long as we want. The most recent post goes automatically to the sidebar. And the thread only accepts new posts every X hours after the previous post.

That way we keep a history of whats been said on the sidebar, we make sure no one usurps the sidebar and no strange password exchange scheme is used.

I think this could be done with a minimum of PHP and SQL.
Permalink Funny Bunny 
April 19th, 2006 3:25pm
how's this:

the sidebare becomes editable every 1-3 hours.  the amount of time between edits is RANDOM.

kinda like first come first serve.  'course, people who are here more often will get to edit the sidebar more, but i think that stays true to the "representative of the forum" concept.
Permalink Kenny 
April 19th, 2006 3:57pm
I was curious about whether or not sharky wanted people to have an extended period of time at the helm so she could get a better sense of their personality by seeing what they posted over time.
Permalink [x] traordinary 
April 19th, 2006 4:00pm
Anybody who wants sidebar privileges should mail AHA. It can be a simple rotating schedule. If it's your turn, you have control and have the opportunity to tell us what you think. No talking back. A nice enhancement. +1 here
Permalink Send private email Locutus of Borg 
April 19th, 2006 4:02pm
Oh, don't make it Random.  You must have missed the "Skinner Box" class.  B.F.Skinner built a box, that rewarded a Pigeon with a food pellet if it hit a certain button.

One of the experiments went wrong, and the box would randomly dump a food pellet to the Pigeon.  Well, if the Pigeon happened to be turning around to the left when this happened, that behavior would be reinforced. That Pigeon would then KEEP turning to the left, apparently knowing that this would get it a food pellet.  Which would randomly appear at some point, so the Pigeon was apparently "right".  Skinner called this a "superstition".

Bottom line -- randomly reinforced behavior is REALLY hard to stop.  So please don't make a slash-dot kind of game out of updating the side-bar.

We've got enough "superstitious Pigeons" as it is.
Permalink AllanL5 
April 19th, 2006 4:02pm
You're not really AllanL5 are you?
Permalink Send private email Locutus of Borg 
April 19th, 2006 4:04pm
Random is the best.

Posting will skyrocket if that's the only way to get control. We'll post like little old ladies plopping quarters into one arm bandits. It'll be AWESOME.
Permalink [x] traordinary 
April 19th, 2006 4:06pm
I'd put lots of Sylvia Plath poetry on the sidebar.
Permalink Send private email Locutus of Borg 
April 19th, 2006 4:09pm
Yes, I AM really AllanL5.  The erudition about the Skinner box, so typical of all my posts, went right by you?

And we don't really want quantity, we want quality.  OK, we want quantity of about 10 to 20 threads a day.  But a quality 10 to 20 threads a day is even better.

OK, so I have the flu right now, and reality may be a little wavy because of that.  But that was still me.
Permalink AllanL5 
April 19th, 2006 4:10pm
"Anybody who wants sidebar privileges should mail AHA."

-1 because more work for poor AHA.

"Random is the best."

-1 defeats the point.  Sidebar is for highlighting interesting posts/quotes.
Permalink Send private email Almost H. Anonymous 
April 19th, 2006 4:10pm
If a person is selected randomly (or pseudo-randomly), do we care if the person is a regular?

What are the chances/consequences of some first-time visitor arriving (or a made-up alias!) and them doing a seagull(1) on us?

Also, wrt to the Skinner effect: I wouldn't like to see people pecking(2) at the submit/refresh button repeatedly in the hope of getting a sidebar treat.  That would slow down site response, and drive up bandwidth costs.


(1) Craps on everything, then flies off.
(2) I seem to be on a bird trip today.  Should have saved it for tomorrow.
Permalink xampl 
April 19th, 2006 4:11pm
Any mod could do it. Create a gmail account for it that the mods can access.
I'll do it, we can use assimilatedborg@gmail.com (if they make me a mod that is)
Permalink Send private email Locutus of Borg 
April 19th, 2006 4:12pm
>> Sidebar is for highlighting interesting posts/quotes.

Uh, sidebar is for juxtaposing odd quotes and taking things completely out of context.

And dancing bananas.
Permalink [x] traordinary 
April 19th, 2006 4:13pm
Holy fuck, we have an entire forum package and you want to go around emailing people as a way to get things done?
Permalink [x] traordinary 
April 19th, 2006 4:14pm
Screw it.  Don't change anything.
Permalink Send private email John Haren 
April 19th, 2006 4:15pm
just for sign up dude
Permalink Send private email Locutus of Borg 
April 19th, 2006 4:15pm
Just do things like we always do them.

"THis is the official I want to edit the sidebar thread." blah blahblah.
Permalink [x] traordinary 
April 19th, 2006 4:16pm
The point is that you should sign up for it if you want it so some kind of schedule can be made.
It's no use giving the privileges to people that don't want it.
Permalink Send private email Locutus of Borg 
April 19th, 2006 4:19pm
nope, don't change anything.  The sidebar is fine the way it is.  And I'm not just sying that because currently my quote is there.  Well, maybe it is the reason.  But don't change it, is all.
Permalink Send private email John Haren 
April 19th, 2006 4:19pm
+1 to don't change it.  And John's quote is a GOOD quote.
Permalink AllanL5 
April 19th, 2006 4:19pm
How about this ...

- Every 3 days allow one, and only one, sidebar item to be changed by a member of the hoi polloi.

- Who gets to change it is determined randomly in the following way. When the three days are up, the system picks a random time within the next 24 hours to start picking from among people who post. Then it just picks someone who has made a post (after clicking on the Submit button) and tells them that they have been selected as this period's "Sidebar Jock Extraordinaire".

- That person has 3 hours or when their IP expires, whichever is smaller, to pick a sidebar item. Identity is done by IP. If someone else steals your IP, whatever; this isn't a frigging financial website we're talking here.

- If the person doesn't make a selection. A different poster is selected. Continue till a sidebar item has been made and then wiat 3 more days.

- Include signatures for sidebar items selected this way.

Seems like too much work, if you ask me.
Permalink Bruno Di Pumadoro 
April 19th, 2006 5:19pm
Its fucking confusing.
Just leave things as they are. We have so many different options that we will never get this done.
Permalink Funny Bunny 
April 19th, 2006 5:39pm
Oh. My. Gawd!
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
April 19th, 2006 5:51pm
Hey, Sharky's back!
Permalink AllanL5 
April 19th, 2006 5:59pm
Oh. My. Gawd!
Becky, look at her butt...
Permalink Send private email John Haren 
April 19th, 2006 6:03pm
"Hey, Sharky's back!"

Yeah, I see things raged on while I did some actual work.  Talk about ruining what I think, humbly, is a great idea.  Dang!
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
April 19th, 2006 6:55pm
It's still a good idea (despite what these "no new features" people say).  We just have to boil it down to the simplist possible design and implementation.
Permalink Send private email Almost H. Anonymous 
April 19th, 2006 7:12pm

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