Sanding our assholes with 150 grit.

So, how many democrats...

(with a capital D)

are actually in here?


<g> Id love to know how big jimmys audience is...
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March 7th, 2005
<sigh> me again...stupid cookies never work..
Permalink FullNameRequired 
March 7th, 2005
Define Democrat with a big D.
Permalink Flasher T 
March 7th, 2005
Aren't democrats with a capital D what the republicans call communists?
Permalink Zorg 
March 7th, 2005
With a capital C, right?
Permalink Crazy Old Guy 
March 7th, 2005
A good model of a Democrat is someone who essentially agrees with the Republicans' worldview, but with tactical differences.

You can take Jim's free advice, or you can listen to the "Funding Father" of the conservative movement, Richard Viguerie.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1566252520/002-0507916-1680847?v=glance

Viguerie says democracy takes WORK. It's important to organize with others who share your goals, using new and alternative media, and elect or produce someone who represents you.
Permalink Tayssir John Gabbour 
March 7th, 2005
++using new and alternative media

It's the republicans who first instituted mass mailing as a campaign strategy. They also seem to be the ones who embraced the unregulated internet for campaign ads.

There was a man on the Daily Show a month or so ago who had written a book about society's information movement and how poltics related to it. I got the impression he was a Republican, but it still seemed quite true. The Dems have not yet learned to leverage various media in the capacity that the Republicans have, especially not in this last election.
Permalink I am Jack's information inference 
March 7th, 2005
Democrats not able to leverage the media, are you nuts?
The whole freaking media complex is on their side. The major news networks (Rather, Jennings, Brokah); Cable news: CNN, MSNBC; The major news papers : NY Times & LA Times; All your major college campuses are breeding ground for the liberal agenda; Radio America; Hollywood; MTV.  Geez, I call that pretty well leveraged. It was a freakin joke that the dems couldn't take the election in 04. With all the money and support from the media and they couldn't unseat an unpopular president. Nope, perhaps the leftist, radical, liberal, socialist platform is starting to collapse under it's own weight.
Permalink Steve-O 
March 7th, 2005
++All your major college campuses are breeding ground for the liberal agenda+++

Hmmm... when people become educated, they tend to be liberal...

Let's think about that a moment.
Permalink muppet 
March 7th, 2005
"stupid cookies never work"

Why would you ever want to eat stupid cookies? I'd want to eat smart cookies, personally.

Amazing how changing the emphasis can change the meaning.
Permalink Aaron F Stanton 
March 7th, 2005
No actually, you're average college freshmen is not pretty bright, being sheltered by mommy and daddy all their lives and then handed over to socialist professors who brainwash them on fearing/hating the "evil", "capatilist pig" empire America and brainwashing them into self-loathing to manipulate them. The ironic thing is that it is the "evil capitalist" empire that provides them with all the benifits and freedoms to get a "liberal" education in the first place.
Permalink Steve-O 
March 7th, 2005
So there's a VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa

AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAA

Funny, I thought that most universities (particularly state universities) were run by the good ol' boys networks (how else did GWB get into Yale with his grades?). How do all those evil socialist professors get their jobs?!
Permalink muppet 
March 7th, 2005
I don't know, ask Ward Churchhill. He can enlighten you.
Permalink Steve-O 
March 7th, 2005
tsk, Steve. You used to be a better troll.
Permalink muppet 
March 7th, 2005
Everyone is entitled to have an off-day.
Permalink Steve-O 
March 7th, 2005
Hey, what happended to the check mark. You were the shit for a while with your check mark.
Permalink Steve-O 
March 7th, 2005
It seems to me that there is a very strong anti-education sentiment in this country. That we don't need no stinkin' edumacation, we'll just roll up our sleeves and git the job done.

Well, there's a time and a place for that, and I respect the people who actually get things done when they get them done right. There certainly is something about a drive to succeed that can make some people decide that school is a waste of time and that their time would be better spent actually being productive. I don't see anything wrong with that.

What does annoy the crap out of me is dismissing true education as useless. I don't have much respect for the school system of this country, truthfully, but I believe in the ideal of establishing a common cultural background that places value on clear and critical thought. The inability of many people to see multiple solutions to problems and their unwillingness to adapt to new situations is going to be, and has been, a real problem for this country and the world as a whole.

Diseases don't just magically go away. It's educated people trying ways different from the established norms that came up with a better system that helped extend human lifespan and allows us all to be healthier than we would have been. It's educated people who find out how to improve crop yields to help feed the population that survives longer thanks to the medicine developed. It's educated people who solve problems of distribution systems to get the food to everyone.

It's *not* conservatives who insist on continuing doing things a certain way just because that's the way it's always been done who did any of the things I mentioned above. It's *not* people insisting that blacks and whites can't marry who improve tolerance and reduce violence. It's *not* people freaking out about a single boob on national television in the midst of an alchohol laden, implied sex-driven, spectacle of sanctioned violence who wrote the Constitution that our President has twice sworn to uphold.

I'm not a Democrat. I'm not a Republican. I think they're both outdated and useless. I think neither one is capable of creating the solutions to problems that plague us today, nor of solutions to problems that will emerge in the future. They both piss me off. I'm completely done voting for members of either party.
Permalink Aaron F Stanton 
March 7th, 2005
When you get going, you can really rant.
Permalink Crazy Old Guy 
March 7th, 2005
Heh. Too true. I'll take that as a compliment, even if it's just an observation, or maybe even an insult. :)
Permalink Aaron F Stanton 
March 7th, 2005
aww, come on guys......are you democrats or not?


...some people just cannot stick to agendas...
Permalink FullNameRequired 
March 7th, 2005
So how do you tell if you're a democrat or a republican? Is there a litmus test or something?
Permalink Calgarian 
March 7th, 2005
Jeffersonian Liberal, who refuses to accept the philosophically groundless Libertarian party.
Permalink Brad Wilson 
March 7th, 2005
> So how do you tell if you're a democrat or a republican? Is there a litmus test or something?

I think the test is whether you vote for the Democratic party's candidate becase they're the Democratic party's candidate.

"Democrat", meaning the American political party => only an American citizen can be a "Democrat" (or conversely a "Republican").
Permalink Christopher Wells 
March 7th, 2005
"Hmmm... when people become educated, they tend to be liberal..."

No, when they're young and stupid and exposed to a ton of information with no experience to parse it, they tend to be liberal. :)

Quoting Wendell Willkie:
"Any man who is not... a socialist before he is 40 has no heart.
Any man who is still a socialist after he is 40 has no head."

Philo
Permalink Philo 
March 7th, 2005
Albert Einstein was 70 when he wrote this on socialism:
http://www.monthlyreview.org/598einst.htm

Perhaps there is a statute of limitations on having no head? ;)
Permalink Tayssir John Gabbour 
March 7th, 2005
Einstein may have been great for physics, but ecoonomics was not his fortay.

And as long as we are going to quote articles partial to our world views here are couple by Thomas Sowell:

"In all these very different societies around the world, the story of socialism has been a story of high hopes and bitter disappointments. Attempts to redistribute wealth repeatedly led to the redistribution of poverty.

Attempts to free ordinary people from oppression repeatedly led to what Mikhail Gorbachev frankly called "servility" to new despots."

Disastrous Utopia
http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=5047

From Marxism to the Market
http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=1331
Permalink Steve-O 
March 7th, 2005
its actually kind of a false dichotomy, socialism works very well when practiced by like minded people...it just doesn't scale well to 'everyone', because more people than otherwise just dont give a shit unless they have motivation.

the same thing applies to capitalism...except that capitalism *requires* a base of poor, underfunded and undereducated people to form its base on.

so, basically, socialism works very well for smaller societies but fails as it scales, whereas capitalism works surprisingly badly for smaller communities and societies but scales brilliantly, gradually pushing the group of 'pure capitalists' to the top and using everyone else as the poorer base.

...any deeper studies of capitalism though show that it will cease to work once the society can no longer grow its pool of resources.
<g> and it *definitely* stops working once the poorer and underfunded group at the base decide they're sick of being there.

<shrug> like everything, both approaches have their place, and anyone trying to claim that any particular approach is always better than any other is doing nothing more than showing off their lack of understanding for all to see and admire :)
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March 7th, 2005
Hah, Steve-O, you're quoting the same Thomas Sowell who's an enthusiastic supporter of the Iraq invasion (to free ordinary Iraqis from oppression, as you say), to the extent he's furious about how journalists told us all about Abu Ghraib:
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3681

That's not your only contradiction: I didn't quote ol' Einstein at all. Just stated the fact of his age while writing some article, in response to someone else's quoting.

Couldn't care less about his beliefs, since I can form my own. So should you, rather than quote someone mindlessly.

As for Karl Marx, he was probably a jackass for all I know; I haven't read a paragraph of his. Dull writer.
Permalink Tayssir John Gabbour 
March 7th, 2005
So what works well for really large groups?
Permalink Aaron F Stanton 
March 7th, 2005
Green checkies.
Permalink MarkTAW 
March 7th, 2005
I thought this was going to one of those "How many Xs does it take to..." jokes.


As in:
How many Democrats does it take to change the US Goverment?
A majority of the voting population, give or take.
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March 8th, 2005
"Hmmm... when people become educated, they tend to be liberal..."

No. When they become professors.
Permalink Jim Rankin 
March 8th, 2005
Don't women become more liberal as they get older, and men become more conservative as they get older?
Permalink Wisea** 
March 10th, 2005

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