Animals are DELICIOUS.

A good start...

Chris, why do we need cameras when we can be completely parsed by google queries?
Permalink Jeff Barton 
August 16th, 2005
You think we can be completely parsed by google queries? How very strange.
Permalink Chris McKinstry 
August 16th, 2005
A. A good start

Q. What do you call a couple of lawyers at the bottom of a cliff?
Permalink Crazy Old Guy 
August 16th, 2005
I thought that was muppets, not lawyers.
Permalink Chris McKinstry 
August 16th, 2005
> You think we can be completely parsed by google queries? How very strange.

Well don't you remember how you were talking about your machine being able to read our thoughts and intentions based on what we were searching for? You could predict human action and whatnot I think. You were pretty emphatic about that, right?

Oh, now I remember. After a bit of honest questioning you did a 180 and started running the other way. Suddenly your machine became somewhat mundane again, simply flagging suspicious looking queries for future surveilence.
Permalink Jeff Barton 
August 16th, 2005
I think you're a little confused Jeff.

I have a system that can place extract a high resolution semantic spectrum from any text string. Which means in practice I can compare any two text strings, that although they may appear completely different on the surface, I can detect their deep structure similarity the exact same way one might compare the spectra of two stars. It has nothing really to do with google, and certianly can in no way substitute for large numbers of cameras in public spaces.

The semantic spectra between the idea of semantic spectra and public security cameras has little overlap.
Permalink Chris McKinstry 
August 16th, 2005
Chris, I was only using you against you. Sorry if that weight is too much to bear.

Recently it seems (at least here on ?off) that you've focused your arguments and efforts towards advocating the end of privacy, you see this as a major milestone in human progress, assisted by a strong AI that presides over all of the collected data. You are still very much a fringe character, but it sounds like you've gotten "better" since you're infamous debut here. So congrats on that. I still think you're ideas lead to abolition of personal liberty, something I hold as sacred as my own life.

You've still have that muppet obsession thing going on. But then again, don't we all?
Permalink Jeff Barton 
August 16th, 2005
You're still stuck here then, Chris.
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August 17th, 2005
Public access to all public cameras and unambiguous identification of all people moving in public spaces. I don't see how that effects your freedom at all.
Permalink Chris McKinstry 
August 17th, 2005
"I don't see how that effects your freedom at all."

It sine qua non affects my freedom to go about my business without all and sundry knowing what I'm doing.
Permalink Mat Hall 
August 17th, 2005
If you're in a public place, all and sundry can see what you're doing by definition.
Permalink Colm O'Connor 
August 17th, 2005
I don't mind other people in a public space seeing me, and to a certain extent I don't object too much to being tracked by camera within certain limitations, but *anyone* being able to see what I'm doing and with no control over what they can do with the knowledge is a whole different ballgame.
Permalink Mat Hall 
August 17th, 2005
Note I said *lead to* the abolitions of personal freedoms. Chris's ideal is not just that peoples actions would public knowledge, but that also their thoughts as well. There innermost being, you could say. Sounds like sci-fi dreams, but remember, we do express our thoughts in certain ways, and if we were always monitored, a sophistication machine could likely create a remarkably accurate "model". Chris believes that a society can be established in which all have equal and free access to these models.

I believe the powerful will always work to retain their power, and ideas like Chris's will only lead to further their grip on the rest of society (many already see that in the backlash laws against terrorism).

Chris sees a utopian society where all men are free, equal, and accountable. I see 1984.
Permalink Jeff Barton 
August 17th, 2005
s/sophistication machine/sophisticated machine
and fix all the other errors if you like.

Interesting term, 'sophistication machine'.
Permalink Jeff Barton 
August 17th, 2005
I have no idea where you get the idea that I want open access to people's thoughts. If you care to find a quote, I would be quite interested.

My ideal is an air traffic control like system for people moving in public space. If I were to go a step beyond this, I would like to see all tax information public an available from the same interface, which would require identification to access.

As for thoughts, you can keep them as you like, though I expect there will be places - Cuba - for example where they will be, or possibly currently are, actively extracted against the will of their creators. I am agnostic on this point.
Permalink Chris McKinstry 
August 17th, 2005
Oops, you found an error!