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take away muppet's green check

Mostly he's detracting from the quality. He's basically a jerk. I think we need to dump him.  Your thoughts?
Permalink zed 
March 10th, 2005
I like him.
Permalink whippet 
March 10th, 2005
I can't think of a better moderator for this forum.
Permalink Jim Rankin 
March 10th, 2005
Nope - muppet usually has intelligent observations (although I don't always agree with him) and is very involved in this forum. I trust he is not abusing his power. So I say he is a perfect moderator.
Permalink DJ 
March 10th, 2005
---"He's basically a jerk"---

----" I can't think of a better moderator for this forum."-----

Do the two remaarks necesssarily exclude each other? :)

As far as I can tell Muppet, and indeed all the other moderators, haven't actually done anytning at all.

This course of inaction meets with my total approval.
Permalink Stephen Jones 
March 10th, 2005
Really, this must be the absolute worst way to approach this problem. Even if people would agree with Muppet's removal I'd be highly surprised if it did happen. This is not a democracy, and I see no reason why it should be.

Muppet doesn't have any real authority, nor do any of the other moderators. It's just a green check mark. Ooh... the jealousy!

Worst attempt at spite I've seen in a long while.
Permalink Zorg 
March 10th, 2005
I agree, muppet is pathetic. I think I, Joseph, am willing to be a moderator. I provide with great light hearted comments and topics.
Permalink Joseph 
March 10th, 2005
Being a moderator has nothing at all to do with being a jerk or not being a jerk or writing well or writing poorly. It has to do with editing.

Show me examples of muppet editing badly and I might be persuaded to agree with you. Otherwise you've got no grounds.
Permalink Aaron F Stanton 
March 10th, 2005
But, with a moderator's check, we don't get to SEE what he's edited -- isn't that what moderator's do, get rid of stuff so the rest of us never see it? (or only see it briefly before it's "moderated" out of existence).

No, what we need is trust. And I do trust Muppet not to be arbitrary and spiteful in what he deletes. He'll be arbitrary in the abuse he sometimes hurls -- but he can't be that if he deletes the stuff he's hurling abuse at, so we're safe there.
Permalink AllanL5 
March 10th, 2005
He deleted a pro-bush comment.
Permalink Joseph 
March 10th, 2005
Here comes the waaaambulance!

I've yet to see him abuse (or indeed exercise) his power. The content of his posts has nothing to do with his ability to mod.
Permalink Flasher T 
March 10th, 2005
I don't think we are kids that need a role model.
Permalink Rick Tang 
March 10th, 2005
I haven't deleted any comments one way or the other on Bush.

There's only one guy getting moderated recently as far as I can tell, and I think you can all guess who.
Permalink muppet 
March 10th, 2005
Who?
Permalink Rick Tang 
March 10th, 2005
Whil I fully agree that muppet is often a jerk, I haven't seen anything that would make me say that he should have moderator duties taken away from him.

Hell, better him than me.
Permalink Steve Barbour 
March 10th, 2005
I see no problem with Muppet. Sure, some of his ideas sound a little strange and what not, but I have nothing against him with regards to moderating.
Permalink Erik 
March 10th, 2005
on the contrary, I propose that we clone muppet and send him forth to the wider internet, to moderate the entire metwork.

I believe that muppet is doing stering work and deserves either a promotion, a payrise or a gorgeous blonde.
Permalink FullNameRequired 
March 10th, 2005
Rick Tang,

I think the moderated person was the guy posting all the fe ce s related threads.
Permalink Rich Rogers 
March 10th, 2005
so much for that plan!
Permalink zed 
March 10th, 2005
>> Mostly he's detracting from the quality.

I dont think quality is a top priority for the off topic zone. Its more like an experiment in human behaviour...
Permalink Eric Debois 
March 10th, 2005
The quality that something something is not the quality that something something.

Does anyone remember the last chapter to Zen & The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance?
Permalink MarkTAW 
March 10th, 2005
The only thing I remember is that last chapter was kind of depressive.

The thing about something something was during the climax, but the last chapter described the poor guy completely loosing it.

Highly overrated book if you ask me.
Permalink Zorg 
March 10th, 2005
All I remember is "Chattaqua" meant "long digression that doesn't advance the plot."
Permalink MarkTAW 
March 10th, 2005
> The quality that something something is not the quality that something something. Does anyone remember the last chapter to Zen & The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance?

Yes.

That bit's from the the middle, though, and is a paraphrase from the Tao Te Ching, like "The Tao that can be named is not the eternal Tao".

At that point he decided that Quality can't be defined (may be synonymous with "Tao") ... that quality is pre-concious, for example that it's awareness of quality that causes us to define things (like "the Tao is the mother of Ten Thousand Things").
Permalink Christopher Wells 
March 10th, 2005
Strange, I know that quote about the Tao. I read it in the Tao of Pooh, which was a much more entertaining book, IMHO.
Permalink MarkTAW 
March 10th, 2005
If we do dump him, please televise the revolution this time.
Permalink Alex 
March 11th, 2005
I wonder if any of the mods would moderate any of the other mods?
Permalink Walks away whistling innocently 
March 11th, 2005
Sure, no problem, though we might mail one another with the question first.

And I think each of us tends to resist modding our own entries if they get automatically held.
Permalink Simon Lucy 
March 11th, 2005
I always mod my held entires up, simon you're the only one i ever see held.
Permalink MarkTAW 
March 11th, 2005
but uh.... are we talking too much?
Permalink MarkTAW 
March 11th, 2005
:-)
Permalink Simon Lucy 
March 11th, 2005
'All I remember is "Chattaqua" meant "long digression that doesn't advance the plot." '

I spewed coffee out of my nose at this. Thanks!

I liked the book, but it did get a little heavy on the non-plot digressions.
Permalink Steve Barbour 
March 11th, 2005
Z.A.T.A.O.M.M is the one book (other than maybe Dhalgren) that I'd take on the Desert Island.
Permalink Simon Lucy 
March 11th, 2005
If you take away muppet's check, can I have it? I promise to live up to my stated policy of inaction.
Permalink Aaron F Stanton 
March 11th, 2005
If I were Joel I'd take away the green check mark, but not because is is abusing power or doing a poor job of editing.

I'd take it away because the green check mark reflects on Fogcreek. Most of us know he has no association with the company, but the casual visitor will not know this.

Anyone with the poor taste and poor sense of someone like muppet would not be part of my company. If anyone like him even had a hint that his positions were accepted by my company (the green check) I would drop him fast.

If you need some examples of his poor taste and sense, then you have not been around long. But if you need a reminder or two here you go: How many people in the past week has he called "a fucking moron". One of his ethnic slurs has since been deleted. That was when he spoke about niggers.

This forum would be better off without his green check. This forum would be better off without him. So would the world.
Permalink Some other dude 
March 13th, 2005
Who cares? That's like saying that personal knowledge of their employees makes your Business decisions rather than quality, usefulness, or cost of the product.

I would not want to be in your company. Are you going to stop using Windows when Philo pisses you off? LOL
Permalink I am Jack's green game 
March 14th, 2005

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