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Today was my first lecture

I enrolled for a Masters in Computer Science last month and today was the first lecture I got to attend, the third in a row for the second semester.

It wasn’t that great, but hurray! I am getting some school time on computer science. I get a double bonus – enjoy my classes, and win myself a degree as a reward. Win-win! The only downside is that the teacher isn’t that great. Basically, his communication skills suck! I dare not raise a question on his knowledge of the subject. It is just too early, but overall he wasn't that cool. But who cares.

They covered the _for loop_ today. I am waiting anxiously for the lectures on Assemblers and Compilers (that is a subject), and on Operating Systems (another subject).

Hurray!
Permalink Sathyaish Chakravarthy 
March 11th, 2005
A *Masters* in CS, and they're telling you about the for loop? WTF? Perhaps I'll do a PhD -- I know about case statements and _everyfink_!
Permalink Mat Hall 
March 11th, 2005
They start with C++ it seems. You know, in many (not all, again I am not talking about "your" particular college) Indian academic establishments, the standards of imparting education are abysmally low.

They just want to fill in time and so they'll beat around the same bush mostly. It is very rare to get a good teacher to cover the most interesting topics.

However, let's see if luck will be on my side. I am happy may be not for the value I would get in return, but the value the whole event has for me. MCA. Tomorrow, I will be an MCA too, a deficiency that stopped me from getting the top notch jobs (although I do not want them anymore). But the difference that seperated me, or rather had me ostracized, will now perish.
Permalink Sathyaish Chakravarthy 
March 11th, 2005
>>You know, in many (not all, again I am not talking about "your" particular college) Indian academic establishments, the standards of imparting education are abysmally low.

Crap!!! Please change your statement to "You know, in FEW (some dubious instutions running in dilapidated buildings) Indian academic establishments, the standards of imparting education are abysmally low."

Besides MCA stands for Master of Computer Applications and it doesn't even compare to an MS!!

So please don't make such stupid open statements(even with shady disclaimers in braces).
Permalink Piffed Indian Gal 
March 11th, 2005
>You know, in FEW (some dubious instutions running in dilapidated buildings) Indian academic establishments, the standards of imparting education are abysmally low.

I am sorry but I am offended by that insult. I do not go to a dilapidated building to attend my classes. And I restate what I said earlier.

You are probably only talking about the few best colleges. For every such college, there are about 20 medium sized institutions that impart education and are mediocre standard. And I did my graduation in regular coaching from the Delhi University and it was COMPLETE CRAP!

The MCA I am doing is from the Sikkim Manipal University (SMU) and they have a representation in Delhi called WebUniv. That place surely does NOT have good quality teachers, like MANY others I know.

MCA is not a masters? Where do you come from?
Permalink Sathyaish Chakravarthy 
March 11th, 2005
It does sound more like a second degree for graduates rather than a masters degree in a subject that people either already have a reasonable degree in or a similar area.
Permalink Simon Lucy 
March 11th, 2005
I am sorry I didn't mean to offend you. I have no idea absolutely about the univ you are talking about. I didn't mean to say you attend classes in a dilapidated building, but the mediocre establishments are usually run in such shady places.

But I do have some knowledge about what an MCA is, and I restate myself "MCA doesn't compare to MS". MS is different from Masters! I am referring to the degree MS, it's not a short form of Masters.

But it does irk me when people make general comments about education standards in India. I really don't agree with you when you say most of the institutions are mediocre 'coz its not true! It's bad enough when people who don't know anything about India and have never been here flame it, but its a totally different issue when people like you do it baselessly.
Permalink Piffed Indian Gal 
March 11th, 2005
Piffed Indian Girl,

Neither of us have conducted a survey. We're echoing our own experiences. May be you were lucky enough to go to the best IT schools/colleges.
Permalink Sathyaish Chakravarthy 
March 11th, 2005
Thats a very diplamatic way of ending the argument, 'coz neither of us can produce any kinda proof.

Even the law says the accused is "innocent until proved guilty". So perhaps you should retract your statement until you are sure that Indian academics is not upto the standard.

When some talks condescendingly about the content of your course, it is very easy to reply that it is so in the whole of India. My point is, it is not so.
Permalink Piffed Indian Gal 
March 11th, 2005
+++Even the law says the accused is "innocent until proved guilty". So perhaps you should retract your statement until you are sure that Indian academics is not upto the standard.+++

You've already stated your counter-opinion, PG, so I don't know why you keep prattling on. Innocent until proven guilty has nothing to do with standards or quality, and it's a silly analogy.

You're right in that you have no proof, and neither does Sathyaish. To declare that your argument is therefore more valid than his because yours is more optimistic is incredibly idiotic.
Permalink muppet 
March 11th, 2005
Why are Indian women so hung up on the reputation of Indian Unis? I worked with many Indian women over the years who've gone to IIT, and they sport that degree like they were wearing a Stella McCartney designer dress, or driving a Ferrari. Indian men aren't this superficial at all. I never hear a guy get upset for someone having the *nerve* to suggest that CMU could possibly compare to IIT. American women don't get all upset if they went to MIT and you dis' it. Whaddup wit dat? Get a life, Piffed Indian Gal.
Permalink  
March 11th, 2005
"incredibly idiotic". Silly and uncalled for, Muppet. You might have an opinion but there's no reason to use such heavy handed language.

Where's the "moderate" in "moderator"?
Permalink some 
March 11th, 2005
A moderator doesn't have to be moderate.
Permalink Aaron F Stanton 
March 11th, 2005
"You've already stated your counter-opinion, PG, so I don't know why you keep prattling on."

I just think this will come in very handy soon when someone needs to rebut muppet.
Permalink Jim Rankin 
March 11th, 2005
"A moderator doesn't have to be moderate" -- and it's a good thing, too. Who wants moderation in all things? Let's have some people who are passionate about what they do!

As long as they don't delete things in an arbitrary way. So far, so good.
Permalink AllanL5 
March 11th, 2005
"Moderation is for monks." - Lazarus Long (Robert A. Heinlein)
Permalink Aaron F Stanton 
March 11th, 2005
Jim -

There's a difference between clarification and reformulation as opposed to just flat out repitition.
Permalink muppet 
March 11th, 2005
v. mod·er·at·ed, mod·er·at·ing, mod·er·ates (md-rt)
v. tr.
To lessen the violence, severity, or extremeness of.
To preside over: She was chosen to moderate the convention.

The point of a moderator in a forum is to moderate not to create the need for moderation!

I have no problem with the "passion" thing but there's no reason for anybody, especially a moderator, to be rude in expressing it.
Permalink somebody else 
March 11th, 2005
muppet,

You already made that point quite clearly. I don't know why you keep prattling on.
Permalink Jim Rankin 
March 11th, 2005
It's clear.

Muppet's ego is as big as the Grand Canyon. And just as empty!
Permalink somebody else 
March 11th, 2005
> Where's the "moderate" in "moderator"?

So you want moderators who believe in the censorship of opinions or language. There's no need for us to be paragons of virtue. We just need to prevent the conversation from degenerating into something that would drive everyone off.

Asshole.
Permalink MarkTAW 
March 12th, 2005
"prevent the conversation from degenerating into something that would drive everyone off"

Exactly, but the moderators don't do that. Muppet, and, surprizingly, now you, Mark, contribute to the "degeneration".

I said nothing about censorship or "paragons of virtue".

I merely said the moderators should not be rude.
Permalink somebody else 
March 14th, 2005

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