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Geeks and LSD

Okay, so search in this forum on LSD and then read this:

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70015-0.html?tw=rss.index

"BASEL, Switzerland -- When Kevin Herbert has a particularly intractable programming problem, or finds himself pondering a big career decision, he deploys a powerful mind expanding tool -- LSD-25..."
Permalink Chris McKinstry 
January 16th, 2006
highly recommended. and meth lets you work 72 hours a stretech with ^incredible^ focus
Permalink Art Wilkins 
January 16th, 2006
Give it a rip Chris
Permalink Dan 
January 16th, 2006
I'm afraid it's quite risky to use LSD for problem solving.

I've seen complete change of personalities in people who used it. Wich may be for the better, but can be for the worse.

One of the consequences of having a 'usefull insight' might be that you conclude that almost everything in your life is wrong. While this might be true, it can be highly disruptive.
Permalink Erik Springelkamp 
January 16th, 2006
One misses somehting important if LSD is ignored, I think. I recommend that everyone find someone they trust and a quiet safe place to explore the possible but highly improbable brain states that LSD gives access to.

At high dosages reality becomes as plastic as a lucid dream. One can see what the deep structure possibilty really looks like and one can judge one's self globally and honestly, the conclusions of which are what really lay at the core of the fear of LSD.
Permalink Chris McKinstry 
January 16th, 2006
"One can see what the deep structure possibilty really looks like"

One can see _one of the_ deep structure possibilities. And that picture can become engraved in your mind.

It is kind of a gamble whether that picture is favourable or not.
Permalink Erik Springelkamp 
January 16th, 2006
Doing anyhting unprepared is a gamble. Prepare for LSD. Meditation is wonderful. The word balance alone is of great aid when you are in an LSD possibility storm.
Permalink Chris McKinstry 
January 16th, 2006
and *that* ladies and gentlemen is why smart people Dont Take Drugs.

you end up sounding like a dribbling fantasist from the planet loonsville.
Permalink Jesus H Christ 
January 16th, 2006
The authority with which McKinstry speaks on mind-altering substances explains a lot of things.

What's scary is that I do not entirely disagree with his assertions.
Permalink  
January 16th, 2006
Give me a freaking break.

LSD is not for kids... I did the dance and I paid the price... anyone who likes dropping acid regularly is a sick puppy, or they have some really weak shit.
Permalink Sassy 
January 16th, 2006
The post above Sassy's was mine. (I just ran Spybot, apparently all my cookies are dead.)
Permalink Flasher T 
January 16th, 2006
I've had some pretty good insights under the influence of LSD, and other times I've babbled inane bollocks for hours on end. The real trick is discerning between the two...
Permalink Mat Hall 
January 16th, 2006
LSD is great until you nearly die because you've lost complete grip on reality. After that, LSD ain't so fun anymore.
Permalink Sassy 
January 16th, 2006
Did you die on a bad trip? Or know some one that did?
Permalink Chris McKinstry 
January 16th, 2006
imagine if we could just take all the drug trash and put them in a giant kettle, cook them up and eat them for dinner.
mmm....broiled drug trash...
Permalink Jesus H Christ 
January 16th, 2006
and *that* ladies and gentlemen is why smart people Dont Take Drugs.

^^ hehe, yeah all the cool kids do drugs and all the smart pricks end up running things :)

Drugs are not for this kind of thing, they can put you in very good states of being, great ideas, brainstorms etc etc etc but geeks allthe world shouldn't start tripping, they'd all fucking freak out and then where would we be? :p

LSD should be used rarely anyway and I thought the whole point of drugs was to forget and have a good time!!!
Permalink Dan 
January 16th, 2006
"Did you die on a bad trip? Or know some one that did?"

No, but I managed to scare the hell out of a bunch of people and pass out on the side of the road, if that counts. Never again... drugs that powerful should not be messed with lightly.
Permalink Sassy 
January 16th, 2006
As a survivor of the 70's and the 60's, this is all bollocks.
Permalink Simon Lucy 
January 16th, 2006
If the goal is as well-defined as solving intractable problems and better decision-making, my first pharmacological suggestion (after caffeine) would be the mild antidepressant class (the SSRIs like the old Prozac and the new Cymbalta). Like LSD (but unlike the methampetamines) they're non-addictive. Unlike LSD the chance of mania is much smaller (though not nothing - but at least there's a built-in external brake/lawsuit target: your doctor). Side effects are manageable.

But before turning to pharms, try the old stalwarts like cardiovascular exercise, balanced nutrition and actual meditative practices. These can do wonders for mind expansion with very low risk and secondary benefits to heart and body that pharms can replicate.
Permalink Spinoza 
January 16th, 2006
Mariuana is very usefull when used sparingly for getting new inspiration in old problems.

In the past it has often resulted in a break through when I was stuck at a particularly complex problem.

Unfortunately my current work doesn't present that kind of complex problems any more. Nothing that cannot be solved by just working it out.

It doesn't work positively when you smoke every day, but once and a while it is a real mental refreshener.

I am sure that LSD can have similar and even much stronger 'insight' effects, but I am not brave enough to use it.

But it reminds me that it might well be a good time to acquire a bit of hasjies again.
Permalink Erik Springelkamp 
January 16th, 2006
Who do you guys get marijuana?

It's illegal, you know ...
Permalink Rick Tang 
January 16th, 2006
Where do you...
Permalink Rick Tang 
January 16th, 2006
Not where I live.

I can go to a shop and buy 5 grams of mariuana legally.
Permalink Erik Springelkamp 
January 16th, 2006
It's so unfair :)
Permalink Rick Tang 
January 16th, 2006
I liked it better when it was illegal but tolerated.

You would go to the private place of a dealer, try the stuff and buy some, meet nice people, or we would join in a group and buy a kilo, divide it and sell it to your friends. It never resulted in net profit, because that was used in the demonstration sessions :-)

It was basically risk-free in the 70's in the Netherlands, as the police was not interested in small amounts.

Today you go to a legal commercial coffee-shop. Like a cafe but they don't have an alcohol license, just a marijuana license.
Permalink Erik Springelkamp 
January 16th, 2006
Out of interest, how much would 5g cost? I'm curious to compare legal to illegal prices. (We tend to buy it in imperial rather than metric amounts, but by my reckoning 5g of reasonable skunk has a street value of a fraction over £21 (about €31).)
Permalink Mat Hall 
January 16th, 2006
over here in NZ you can purchases sliced skunk at a very reasonable 20NZD/kg.
Apparently when its lightly fried it can be rather a delicacy....although its never reached the same level of popularity as cat.
I used to smoke dog, but the price of the native wood required to do it properly has become heavily prohibitive.
Permalink Jesus H Christ 
January 16th, 2006
The prices here are comparable to what you mention, Matt.

Actually, I haven't bought it myself for years. I have smoked once and a while with my son and his friends, and they acquired it :-)

I don't think the comparable prices are surprizing, as the production and wholesale is still illegal here in the Netherlands (something for Philo to explain with his desire for logical laws :-). And the retailer has to pay taxes on his trade, and on his staff.

House dealing has far less overhead costs, but they make up for the risk I guess.
Permalink Erik Springelkamp 
January 16th, 2006
I never understood the logic behind "you can buy it, sell it, and smoke it, providing you don't grow it, import it, or sell it to people who sell it to consumers"; perhaps whoever drafted the legislation had smoked a bit too much. :)
Permalink Mat Hall 
January 16th, 2006
The logic is you can harm yourselves -- it's your decision alone -- but not others.

And selling a little bit of marijuana harms no one :)
Permalink Rick Tang 
January 16th, 2006
The amazing thing is that illegal drugs come from plants, and it's amazing to think that a plant, created by God, would be illegal. What if those plants became extinct. All of the wars and people killed in Columbia because of plants that God put there. If these things were dirt cheap and legal, would they cause any more harm than alchohol?

Not that I am in favor of these things, but whatever happened to personal responsibility? I guess personal responsibility exists because cops enforce it(?) So, the only way people can responsibly relate to each other is through cops. Makes sense the way a lot of businesses have locked doors during business hours where you have to buzz in. That freaks me out, like who am I, the mid-day serial killer with cop cars patrolling the main avenue just forty feet away?
Permalink LinuxOrBust 
January 16th, 2006
Hmm, maybe the phone call to get in is just there to prevent vendors from soliciting them, or people from walking in asking for jobs. It's a little creepy though, and a lot of office type businesses still don't have those things.
Permalink LinuxOrBust 
January 16th, 2006
I have done LSD a few times (I have done varius drugs but always in moderation, never regularly) and I don't think any of them would help me code (Maybe meth but I don't play on doing any hard and/or addictive drugs)...
Permalink IMesh 
January 17th, 2006
>>> Who (where) do you guys get marijuana?

Jeez, Rick, don't you ever come downtown? If you're really looking, I can set you up...

As to the "mostly harmless" idea, you haven't tried the modern hydroponic stuff. Not that I have for a long time, either, but it was already getting ridiculously strong 15 years ago.
Permalink Ward Bush 
January 17th, 2006
Not really. If it is not criminal and I can hide my habit from the police I may try.

Like I sometimes drive a bit too fast ...
Permalink Rick Tang 
January 17th, 2006
>>> Who (where) do you guys get marijuana?

More to the point, where does everyone get LSD? From the postings in this thread, it sounds it's sold at supermarkets in parts of the world some people here are in...
Permalink a2800276 
January 17th, 2006
LSD is harder to get these days as it seems to have dropped in popularity, but it's still around, you just need to know who to ask. (Your local pot dealer will probably know someone who knows someone, or pay a visit to your local university and ask around the chemistry lab. :)
Permalink Mat Hall 
January 17th, 2006
I bum all my drugs off of friends and family.
Permalink IMesh 
January 17th, 2006
Teriffic book: My Problem Child Albert Hofmann.

http://www.flashback.se/archive/my_problem_child/

4/19/43 16:20: 0.5 cc of 1/2 promil aqueous solution of diethylamide tartrate orally = 0.25 mg tartrate. Taken diluted with about 10 cc water. Tasteless.

17:00: Beginning dizziness, feeling of anxiety, visual distortions, symptoms of paralysis, desire to laugh.

Supplement of 4/21: Home by bicycle. From 18:00- ca.20:00 most severe crisis. (See special report.)
Permalink Kasey 
January 17th, 2006
"...drugs that powerful should not be messed with lightly."

Amen. I am not a big fan of criminalization but in the case of LSD I think it makes sense. Anything that can warp your entire sense of reality that much is.... well..... spooky.
Permalink A. Nonymous 
January 17th, 2006
Chris.. Stop the drugs get a job and send yuor kid some money you deadbeat Dad..
Permalink Canada 
January 20th, 2006

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