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Jane Fonda: A man made me do it. It wasn't my fault!

"Veteran screen goddess Jane Fonda's late husband Roger Vadim allegedly bullied her into seducing women to join them in orgies.

The 67-year-old claims that Vadim, who directed her in Barbarella, forced her to phone escort companies and chat up girls in bars so they could take part in his "cruel and misogynistic" (there's that word agin!) sex sessions. She says in her autobiography My Life So Far, due out in April, "It seems shocking that I did that, but I convinced myself that it was fine, even though it was killing my heart." Fonda ended her six-year marriage to Vadim in 1973, and has never previously admitted to the group sex sessions she was forced to participate in."

Was he holding agun to her head? What would have happened if she had just said, "No roger, fuck off!"?

Women are never accountable for their actions.

Never.

A woman can't get drunk, have sex with you, then a week later cry "rape!" out of a twisted sense of guilt.

Result?

Your life is destroyed.
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March 20th, 2005
I've no idea as to how their relationship worked but that behaviour isn't that unusual or unknown. I think perhaps you're exhibiting naievety rather than anything else.
Permalink Simon Lucy 
March 20th, 2005
Naivety? Me?

Is English not your native language?

I am being sarcastic.

Look it up at www.dictionary.com if you need to.
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March 20th, 2005
I agree with Simon. It seems so easy to say "duh - just walk away" but relationships play amazing games on the human mind.

My advice to people (overly simplistic, but I think it works): If you find that you're constantly blaming yourself for the problems in the relationship, you need to get out of it.

Philo
Permalink Philo 
March 20th, 2005
How can she have been "forced" when she herself was convinced she was into it at the time? Does later regret cancel out her willingness at the time?

It is bullshit that Fonda is making these allegations against Vadium, who is now dead and can't defend himself.

She also has a grown daughter w/ him, who must be really proud of her mother for being so strong and all.
Permalink rupert 
March 20th, 2005
Ever heard of Trilby?
Permalink Simon Lucy 
March 20th, 2005
--"Women are never accountable for their actions.
Never."--
All questions are Compulsory.
>How did you came to this conclusion?
>Does Jane Fonda represent all women?
>How had been your relationships with your mother, sister and girl friends in the past?( Just to find out the reason of hatred; anyway if you want you can skip this question)
>Is it right and sane according to you to make such types of generalised statements?
>Don't women get imprisinment for same crime as men does in your country?
>Are all men saint and honest as you?
>Are all women saints?
>Are all women honest and never lie?
>Do all men admit their faults and wrongs readily without being defensive and blaming another person for it?
If yes, then surely all women are at fault. If not then first correct yourself first. :)
Permalink Another poster... 
March 20th, 2005
Another poster,

You have never known any American women, have you?

It shows.
Permalink rupert 
March 20th, 2005
How conveniently it is forgotten that at the time "free love" was seen as "empowering" and "liberating" for women, the exact opposite of domination.
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March 20th, 2005
Rupert;
--"You have never known any American women, have you?"--
Yes. I have never.
But I don't think every American women is like "Jane Fonda".

"Veteran screen goddess Jane Fonda's late husband Roger Vadim allegedly bullied her into seducing women to join them in orgies."
Anyway, for me this whole incident is shocking. It is very difficult to respect such a husband.Sincerely. And at the same time it is really very difficult for a man to respect such a wife.
God knows how they stayed together!
Permalink Another poster... 
March 20th, 2005
>God knows how they stayed together!

They didn't.

She was too much a slut.
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March 20th, 2005
American women are either sluts or religious - there ain't no middle ground.

I have banged both Jenna Jameson and Sister Mary types.

Guess the only reason people visit the US is that both types of these girls are ready to spread their legs in an instant for foreigners.
Permalink I should stop fingering American girls 
March 20th, 2005
I heard that relationship messed her up so badly, she ran off to Vietnam and got brainwashed just to get away from him.
Permalink Kyralessa 
March 20th, 2005
I know what's driving this. Guilt. Jane is a typical former slut in that she became a born again christian. So she wants to distance herself from her actions in a former life.

Hypocrite.

BTW, her marriage to Ted Turner broke up because he refused to become a born again at her request.
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March 20th, 2005
I'll assume that it happened as she described for the sake of argument.

As described, yes, this sort of thing happens. There are abusive and manipulative people who will leverage the relationship in order to bully the other person into doing things they don't want to. It is usually very hard to get out of these sorts of relationships. Look at any sort of totalitarian regime - Stalin, Hitler. They mesmerize the masses and everyone goes along with their desires, even though later they regret it. This can happen on a large scale or a small one. Sociopaths (who are almost always male for some reason) are charming and manipulative, by definition.

The people that are getting down on Ms. Fonda don't have an understanding of these issues.
Permalink Rich Rogers 
March 20th, 2005
Gotta love them Evil-Knievel-like leaps from the particular to the general.

Anyone who thinks that all American women are like Jane Fonda needs to spend a day at the mall.
Permalink Hoo Ha 
March 20th, 2005
>How conveniently it is forgotten that at the time "free love" was seen as "empowering" and "liberating" for women, the exact opposite of domination. <

Ding-ding-ding!
Permalink rupert 
March 20th, 2005
I have Barbarella on Tivo. Classic.
Permalink hoser 
March 21st, 2005
I agree with Simon. It seems so easy to say "duh - just walk away" but relationships play amazing games on the human mind.

"My advice to people (overly simplistic, but I think it works): If you find that you're constantly blaming yourself for the problems in the relationship, you need to get out of it.

Philo"

Or, if you find that you're constantly blaming yourself for the problems in the relationship, maybe it is indeed really you that is the problem. Some people really are that screwed up and instead of acknowledging it, they constantly try to run away from their problems and themselves.
Permalink Pete 
April 1st, 2005

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