Sanding our assholes with 150 grit.

I have decided that my next mission in life

is to get a job at a University or state college. I want to be in or at least near the academic environment again, and the tuition breaks that most schools give employees would be very welcome.

Couple this desire with the recent behavior of my current boss, which I won't get into, and I'm peculiarly motivated at this particular time. I'd really love to be someplace else by summer.
Permalink muppet 
March 29th, 2005
Hmm, you might get a teaching job for summer school. I don't know what the college hiring cycle is -- I assume they're thinking right now of hiring for next fall.

Don't take this the wrong way, but do you have such qualifications to teach college?
Permalink AllanL5 
March 29th, 2005
I'm not looking for a teaching position. Yale, for example, has a number of programming positions with varying qualifications. Most are in research departments and require specialized degrees, but not all.

Hell I'd be happy to be a network/computer-lab monkey if the pay wasn't too bad. I've seen a couple SysAdmin jobs that pay more than I make programming, and I've got lots of SysAdmin experience.
Permalink muppet 
March 29th, 2005
On a serious note, politics/joking aside, why do you want to leave the business world for academia?
Permalink Steve-O 
March 29th, 2005
Probably because I have a rose-tinted view of an idyllic environment more tuned to merit and accomplishment than politics and hucksterism.

Of course, this is total fantasy because I know that universities are ruled by politicism, but I still think that the overall quality of the nonsense would be superior.
Permalink muppet 
March 29th, 2005
LOL...

One with with working for a university, or at least the one I worked for... Your paycheck often isn't where it is supposed to be when it is supposed to be there.

That aside, working for a professor is great, but perhaps it was just the particular one I was working for. On the subject of merit and accomplishment there was a marked difference in attitudes between that job and the others I've had.

Good luck.
Permalink I am Jack's travelling trapeze 
March 29th, 2005
What was your previous mission?
Permalink son of parnas 
March 29th, 2005
A friend's wife works at a University, and the "perks" are extraordinary - he, and their three children, can go for as long as they want completely free.
Permalink Dennis Forbes 
March 29th, 2005
son of parnas -

To become moderator of ?off, of course.
Permalink muppet 
March 29th, 2005
muppet,


Nothing is perfect! Don't you forget that. And the grass *is* greener wherever you are not.

Good luck with your endeavors.
Permalink dilbert 
March 29th, 2005
"And the grass *is* greener wherever you are not."

LOL. Some say where the grass is greener is because the presence of fertilizer...
Permalink Steve-O 
March 29th, 2005
Here's a (somewhat coherent) rant I wrote earlier on another forum regarding my week so far:

Yep.

This is a great place to work with great people but my boss here is even more toxic (if that´s even possible) than the last guy I worked for. He´s just not around most of the time so that it´s noticed less frequently.

Yesterday I got a 2 hour dressing down because I left early (along with everyone else) on the holiday weekend (friday evening) during a "Production Down" situation.

He quoted times at me during which the system was down, what my responsibilities were, etc.

I told him that I had checked the system before leaving and it was fine. He all but called me a liar.

Anyway, there was a system down, before I left, and I brought it back up, monitored it for a half hour, and then went home. I told him this. He told me I was wrong, that the system had been down 3 hours, blah blah blah.

Turns out that a completely different system had been down for 30 MINUTES. A system that I´m wholly not responsible for. And Dennis (boss) KNEW this.

He told me that Bob G. had to stay and cover for me, and that Bob was very upset about it. I talked to Bob today and he said that not only did he not have to stay and cover for me, but that he doesn´t even know what Dennis is talking about.

I checked the production system logs. The system WAS UP FOR THE ENTIRE TIME THAT DENNIS SAID IT WAS DOWN. I even have incident logs I filed for the earlier incident on Friday that show that I fixed the problem and spent half an hour verifying the systems before going ANYWHERE. Dennis told me that I "Just took off during a system outage and did nothing about it."

Now see, normally I´d chalk this up to regular incompetence, but it´s not the first, or the second, OR THE THIRD time that this has happened. Not only that, but Dennis went around telling folks that Bob G stayed to cover for me when that´s just a flat out lie. Dennis never even SPOKE to Bob on Friday, so he just completely made it up. MADE IT UP.

I´m looking at job postings at area universities. I think I´d really like to work for a school.
Permalink muppet 
March 29th, 2005
I mean, here is a guy who makes a habit of going to Sally and telling her all the horrible things that Joe said about her, and then going to Joe and telling him that Sally said "..."

Of course, neither Joe nor Sally ever said anything about each other at all, but that doesn´t stop Dennis. It´s like he´s 12 years old. I´m not nuts, everyone here knows that he does it and they just shrug it off.

The other guy here my age just puts up with his crap silently and tries to do the best job he can, which is often TO COVER FOR DENNIS´ INEPTITUDE. I don´t know how he stands it. He´s been in this department for like, 3 years. I´d have gone insane.
Permalink muppet 
March 29th, 2005
I've considered teaching at the university in the comp sci or MIS dept. I think I could do perhaps a slightly better job then some of the prof's I've encountered. Many just read power-point slides, or literally read the course book word for word.
Permalink Steve-O 
March 29th, 2005
Muppet,

That does suck. Hopefully you can find some other gig asap.
Permalink Steve-O 
March 29th, 2005
Thanks, Steve-O. You're a decent enough guy when you're not talking politics. ;-)
Permalink muppet 
March 29th, 2005
My friends go through cycles. First they all worked in banks. Now they all work in schools. It's a trend you're a little late on and I don't know if you ever worked at a bank, but you'd better hurry up before they all decide to become paratroopers or something.
Permalink MarkTAW 
March 29th, 2005
My bro works at a University. Perks he's mentioned to me:

- he and family get use of gym
- library and other facilities
- full tuition for all family members
- excellent medical insurance
- liberal vacation/holiday/sick leave policy
and most importantly:
- he gets to view co-eds laying in the sun on a nice spring day when he walks thru campus.

Muppet, go for it.
Permalink D 
March 29th, 2005
Yep, there don't seem to be any caveats. The only trick is finding a position I'm qualified for. Since I have no formal degree, that's the tricky part.
Permalink muppet 
March 29th, 2005
Muppet,

I don't know your educational/technical background, but you may want to reconsider a teaching gig at a university or local community college to get your foot in the door. I would imagine you could do better then some of the prof's I encountered. Some of these dudes literally just read the book to the class and the other's you could barley understand what they were saying. Some seemed liked the last time the bought a computer was when the 386DX Microprocessor was all the rage.
Permalink Steve-O 
March 29th, 2005
"Since I have no formal degree, that's the tricky part."

Sorry, didn't see this post. You may want to go back to school and get your degree. This will give you the piece of paper you need to enter academia and also you can start to do some personal networking, getting to know the computer sci prof's and networking lab folks. Many computer sci prof's are real behind on the latest technology, so it is possible you could be an asset to them, helping them out.
Permalink Steve-O 
March 29th, 2005
OMG DX!!! Yes!! *snicker*

Send something to a few networked printers about what an incompetent twat he is and neglect to ever pick it up.

You being a sharp fellow and all, I'm sure you can figure a way around any logging that may occur... But just in case, print the memo elsewhere and just leave it in the printer trays. :)

Maybe that's just immature, but I've decided to always have fun with those people who can't be reasoned with.

Why not?

It's one thing to disagree, another entirely to have concrete proof and still be treated badly.

Maybe you could photoshop his head onto some beastiality shots from the interweb?
Permalink I am Jack's evil evolution 
March 29th, 2005
"concrete proof"

lol. YOUR concrete proof is my wishful thinking.
Permalink Rick Tsang 
March 29th, 2005
I suppose YOU have some remote clue of what you are talking about?

Wait, nevermind....
Permalink I am Jack's brain bubble 
March 29th, 2005
Steve-O -

I'm pretty sure that a pre-req for a teaching gig is a teaching degree...
Permalink muppet 
March 29th, 2005
We had a few student professors in my general education classes...

An idea for a foot in the door: Offer to teach a free course to the faculty on something computer related.
Permalink I am Jack's itching idea-ology 
March 29th, 2005
I even thought about school this week. I had my forms ready and then my references all lined up. Then I started thinking about boring teachers, lame students. Screw that.

Yea, working at a university would be nice. I have been looking at difference research projects associated with different programs. Physics needs IT people, Biology of course, Medicine the same. Fermilab is hiring, http://www.fnal.gov/. Another thing, python is big in research in looks like, even if you don't know python I would look at the python IT people and I bet a university lab is attached.
Permalink Berlin Brown 
March 29th, 2005
Sorry, that's my next mission and No, you cannot have it.
Permalink hoser 
March 29th, 2005
I don't work for the university, but the place I work is on campus (UBC, Vancouver BC). Talking to different people who did work for the university and looking at job postings, I always had the idea the most university jobs didn't pay as well as comparable ones somewhere else. I never heard of people getting tuition paid, that would be a nice perk.

An alternative to a university might be some sort of research organization. Like a university, they tend to have a more casual workplace. Still lots of politics, though, and there's a clear caste system in place for most research: the top level is the PhD, then the other scientists with lesser degrees, then technologists/research engineers/whatever you want to call technically skilled staff, then everyone else.
Permalink Ward 
March 30th, 2005
Muppet you should read the following stuff at techcomedy written by a member of the support staff at a college in Manchester:

http://www.techcomedy.com/users/submitted_content.php?nick=Digital%20Dogcow

Just a reminder that if ain't the bosses it's the users
Permalink Peter Ibbotson 
March 30th, 2005

This topic was orginally posted to the off-topic forum of the
Joel on Software discussion board.

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