Sanding our assholes with 150 grit. Slowly. Lovingly.

no cuts to medicare

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/01/23/clinton.healthcare/index.html

"the Medicare drug plan, which took effect January 1.

Since then, at least 26 states have had to step in to make sure some of the poorest seniors receive needed prescriptions, an association of state health care officials said last week. (Full story)

"We have people that are coming up that should have $1 and $3 co-pays that have $40 co-pays on their medications," said Dawne Rizio, a pharmacy technician at Rochester's Saratoga Pharmacy. "They're not getting their meds, or we're spending hours on the phone fighting with insurance companies.""



go bush!

ok, heres a challenge for you all. which groups in our country are *not* worse off since bush came to office?
Permalink Jesus H Christ 
January 23rd, 2006
I as a regular middle class American am no worse off, i'm doing considerably better now then I was at the time of his first election. Although i don't believe the President has much effect on most Americans lives.
Permalink Phil 
January 23rd, 2006
except for the lives of the poor, the elderly and the sick of course.
Permalink Jesus H Christ 
January 23rd, 2006
"Although i don't believe the President has much effect on most Americans lives."


You have now confirmed that you live under a rock.
Permalink sharkfish 
January 23rd, 2006
Sharky - how, exactly, has your life changed as a result of Bush's policies?

Philo
Permalink Philo 
January 23rd, 2006
" i'm doing considerably better now then I was at the time of his first election. "

A lot of people are doing worse or are stagnating. It is a fact that real wages are going down relative to cost of living. So you are the exception.
Permalink sharkfish 
January 23rd, 2006
aww, come on sharkfish.

the war didn't affect the lives of many people.
medicare cuts have hardly altered the lives of anyone except the poor, the sick, the elderly and so on..you know...those for whom it was created to protect....
I dont *mind* being arrested and detained without a warrant, being charged, or access to a lawyer. if the *government* thinks I might be a terrorist, thats good enough for me!
Permalink Jesus H Christ 
January 23rd, 2006
" Sharky - how, exactly, has your life changed as a result of Bush's policies?"

that's just bait so you can tell me I'm whining. I'm ignoring this thread now.
Permalink sharkfish 
January 23rd, 2006
Name a direct Bush policy that had a direct effect on you, shark. Yes JHC medicare cuts etc can have a very small effect on people personally, but A) congress passed those through and there is no guarantee it would have been any different if anyone else was in the oval office b) You're talking about a very small difference in coverage between when bush took office and when he didn't.  shark, your whole deal about wages cannot possibly be traced to GWB solely. Could be 9/11, could be congress, could be the dollar, or china, or immigration or a million other little things.
Permalink Phil 
January 23rd, 2006
"Yes JHC medicare cuts etc can have a very small effect on people personally,"

spoken like someone who has never had to rely on it. did you read the article? from $1-2 to $40 for medication can kill people, literally.

christ you are ignorant in the original sense of the word.

"A) congress passed those through and there is no guarantee it would have been any different if anyone else was in the oval office"

umm...what? this was bushs policy. youve seen him pushing it.
would some other hypothetical person have done the same thing? maybe, but thats hardly relevant is it?


"You're talking about a very small difference in coverage between when bush took office and when he didn't."

did you *read* the article? its affecting people in a really big way.

I am *personally* affected when he says its ok to arrest and detain people without charging them or letting them see a lawyer.
I am *personally* affected when he says its ok to spy on people without a warrant.
hell, I am *personally* affected when he puts his buddy into power in the emergency thingie and his buddy screws up and thousands of my fellow citizens die.

amazingly enough, I am even *personally* affected when my country invades a whole other country based on lies that GWB has specifically repeated.

Im personally affected by most things that happen in my coutnry, in particular when people die because my taxes are not being used to help them...when people are arrested without due process....

so fuck you phil. fuck off and be unaffected by the policies of the president somewhere else.
Permalink Jesus H Christ 
January 23rd, 2006
++JHC
Permalink sharkfish 
January 23rd, 2006
The reorganization of HLS/FEMA that was in his charge contributed to Katrina tragedy... making FEMA, who assists the neediest in the time of need functionally powerless.
Permalink arg! 
January 23rd, 2006
it's not so much George Bush the man, so much as what his policies, appointees


* Bush appointed FDA chief banning "Plan B" birth control against the clear consensus of the scientific community
* Initiated a unilateral war in Iraq against will of entire planet with no exit strategy
* ballooning record deficiets and debt will hit us later
* actively pushing abstinence only programs in schools and advancing that Intelligent Design has merit
* Appointed EPA chief that gutted much of clean air/water act, raising mercury and arsenic levels and forcing individual states (my own included) to SUE the EPA to raise standards.

these all affect me and my community on a very personal and very daily basis.
Permalink arg! 
January 23rd, 2006
I like arg's answer. y'all blue-staters could larn a few things from him.

Philo
Permalink Philo 
January 24th, 2006
Here's a measure under Bush that affects me.

The requirement for passports to contain biometric data which means that everyone that applies for a passport past 2007 will have to have some kind of biometric measurement taken regardless of whether they ever want to visit the USA.

That this has also provoked the Govt. to wander down the road to mandatory ID cards isn't directly Bush's fault but without this insane requirement it could never have got this far.

Personally I'd be quite happy with boycotting the USA until it started recognising International bodies and cooperating with the rest of the planet rather than creating draconian laws on the movement of people.
Permalink Simon Lucy 
January 24th, 2006
"spoken like someone who has never had to rely on it. did you read the article? from $1-2 to $40 for medication can kill people, literally."

Oh well if Hillary Clinton says it, i'm sure it is 100% unbiased factual information. That huge medicare drug plan Bush pushed through was basically a democrat agenda, it was heavily opposed by the conservatives. What your missing in the price of drugs going up is no where does it say the price of the drugs is going up because of CUTS in medicare, it simply says the cost is rising or people cannot figure out the plan and sign up.

"hell, I am *personally* affected when he puts his buddy into power in the emergency thingie and his buddy screws up and thousands of my fellow citizens die."

Yeah FEMA was a mess but local officials are the ones who effed up here, not that tiny government agency. There is also no way for you to say it would be any different if someone else was in there. Plus, again the appointed positions have to be approved by congress.

"amazingly enough, I am even *personally* affected when my country invades a whole other country based on lies that GWB has specifically repeated."

And again, if congress didn't authorize such action you wouldn't be up this creek.
Permalink Phil 
January 24th, 2006
"There is also no way for you to say it would be any different if someone else was in there."

Uh, yeah it would've been. The guy was totally incompetent.

Philo
Permalink Philo 
January 24th, 2006
"Oh well if Hillary Clinton says it,"

oh for fucks sake read the article before replying phil.

"Since then, at least 26 states have had to step in to make sure some of the poorest seniors receive needed prescriptions, an association of state health care officials said last week
We have people that are coming up that should have $1 and $3 co-pays that have $40 co-pays on their medications," said Dawne Rizio, a pharmacy technician at Rochester's Saratoga Pharmacy. "They're not getting their meds, or we're spending hours on the phone fighting with insurance companies."

I understand you belong to that particular brand of people who believe more in the content of their own head than in the facts that are readily available to them...but at least *try* to make an effort.

"That huge medicare drug plan Bush pushed through was basically a democrat agenda, it was heavily opposed by the conservatives."

uh huh. so bush is pushing a democrat agenda now?



"Yeah FEMA was a mess but local officials are the ones who effed up here, not that tiny government agency."

then why was the man fired?

"There is also no way for you to say it would be any different if someone else was in there."

of course there is. the man was a fop.

"Plus, again the appointed positions have to be approved by congress."

oh, sorry. so if bush picks a fop then its not *his* fault if that fop is placed in a position of power because congress allowed him his choice?


"And again, if congress didn't authorize such action you wouldn't be up this creek."

congress didn't. congress just gave bush the power to make the decision. he made the decision on his own. the wrong decision of course, because he is an incompetent jackass supported primarily by people like yourself who cannot see outside of their own head.
Permalink Jesus H Christ 
January 24th, 2006

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