Sanding our assholes with 150 grit. Slowly. Lovingly.

Weary nation realizes what this forum won't

Repubs are scum & gotta go!

"disapproval rating on the deficit - 64 percent - is his highest. The generic party numbers look terrifying for the Republicans. Democrats lead them by 51 to 37 percent. In the history of the polling, the party gap has rarely been so large."

http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/2006/01/his_worst_ratin.html
Permalink xava! 
January 29th, 2006 2:27pm
christ, the entire nation is made up of morons.

Its *not* a problem with the republicans.  The democrats suck as well. 
There is a problem with the 2 party system itself.

So long as these two parties keep getting swapped in for each other, absolutely no one in power has any incentive to fix it.
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January 29th, 2006 3:38pm
sorry, it *is* a problem with the republicans.  and with bush in particular.

*but* the solution isn't to elect the democrats. its to change the system.
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January 29th, 2006 3:40pm
change to what?
Permalink xava! 
January 29th, 2006 3:47pm
> Its *not* a problem with the republicans.

Because the don't control everything now? They just can't help themselves? They have no responsibility?

The party system doesn't change anything about people being responsible for their actions.
Permalink son of parnas 
January 29th, 2006 3:48pm
son,  read his next post. think he means to say the repubs are bad and should be spanked, but dem replacement will create these problems all over again in 10 years.
Permalink xava! 
January 29th, 2006 4:17pm
you'll see I correct that.  it *is* a problem with the republicans. 
A new electoral system would shift the cost/benefit thingie.
Currently we have a system that is essentially owned and driven in large part by those able to pay for influence. 

By changing the electoral system to one where corrupt politicians, or politicians shown not to be acting in the best interests of their voters, can be pelted with rotten fruit until damaged or dead we will alter the incentives and change the political landscape.
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January 29th, 2006 4:17pm
" but dem replacement will create these problems all over again in 10 years."

exactly, its the system that is at fault.  thats not to shift responsibility from the current crop of useless, corrupt, weak nobodies...clearly they need to go...but its to say that because of the system we have now all we wil be replacing them with is *more* useless, current, weak nobodies.
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January 29th, 2006 4:19pm
While I agree there are problems with the way we're running things, the current mandate is to get the Democrats back into a position to check the Republicans.

Please, God, let the DNC *not* fuck up the elections this year. If we don't have a Democratic majority in the House next year someone needs to shoot Howard Dean then work their way down.

Philo
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January 29th, 2006 4:24pm
"he current mandate is to get the Democrats back into a position to check the Republicans. "

the point is that will *always* be the current mandate.  democrats to replace republicans cause the republicans are so evil...keep the democrats in cause the republicans are so evil....christ on a stick, get these evil corrupt democrats out... , republicans to replace democrats cause the democrats are so evil....keep the republicans in cause the democrats are so evil...

so long as we are replacing one lizard with another in a constant state of worry that the wrong lizard will get in, we're not fighting to throw out the system that is forcing us to choose between lizards.


we need *some* kind of mmp, we need to get muslims, women, blacks, gays, buddhists, christians into power.  we need a power balance between parties.  we need transparency of the accounts of those who might be tempted to act in a corrupt fashion (you want power over this nation?  you better goddamn believe this nation wants to invade your privacy.)
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January 29th, 2006 4:32pm
FNR, I agree completely, and that can be a long-term goal. But right now the R's own three branches, and that's totally dangerous - let's get back to checking and balancing before we worry about the long-term fixing the problem.

Philo
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January 29th, 2006 4:34pm
we need to *stop* lizards gerrymandering the results, we need to stop the incentives for assholes to mislead certain types of voters on what date the election is.

we need to bring back the idea of innocent until proven guilty, and no incarneration without representation.

goddamn it I want my fucking country back, and the democrats are no more likely to do that than the fucking republicans because all they want is to be back in power.
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January 29th, 2006 4:35pm
Personally, I think if the Dems put a plan on the table demonstrating something like fiscal responsibility instead of just higher taxes, they'd stand a chance.

The problem is that their arguement consists of spending *more* money...

No Child Left Behind/Education in general?  Spend more money...
Social Security?  Spend more money...
Health care?  Spend more money...
Hurricane Katrina cleanup?  Spend more money...
Permalink Send private email KC 
January 29th, 2006 4:45pm
" now the R's own three branches, and that's totally dangerous"


meh.  luckily they have an incompetent tool in power.  imagine the danger we would be in if they actually had a president who was capable of tying his own shoes.

bush has got the typical christian attitude where leadership is removing peoples rights until they behave the way you want them to.

the only possible end of that is all out civil war :)  and his colleagues are slowly beginning to realise it.
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January 29th, 2006 4:48pm
"The problem is that their arguement consists of spending *more* money..."

christ KC, what are you retarded?  have you entirely missed the money that the republicans have spent this year?
the argument is no longer about who will spend the most money.  the republicans have already won that (oh, the shame..)

The argument is now who will spend the money most effectively.


...and Im betting neither...

at least those things we are spending money on improving life for our own citizens.
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January 29th, 2006 4:52pm
Heh. You mean the ones that are slowly edging away from him and finding the ceiling really interesting?

Philo
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January 29th, 2006 4:53pm
the thing is KC, there are 8way* more important things on the table at the moment than higher taxes.

if you cannot see that then you *are* retarded.
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January 29th, 2006 4:53pm
"Heh. <snip>...finding the ceiling really interesting? "

heh.  those are the ones.
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January 29th, 2006 4:54pm
"the thing is KC, there are 8way* more important things on the table at the moment than higher taxes."

Like fiscal responsibility?

Philo
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January 29th, 2006 5:01pm
yep.  and civil rights. and corruption.

and the environment.  and education (ours sucks incredibly badly.  maybe it doesn't need more money, but it needs *something*)

and the fact we are starting to lose visitors because foreigners dont really enjoy being anally probed when they land in america.
Ive got some inlaws who went out of their way to *avoid* travelling via america on their way elsewhere just because they didn't want the hassle.

our airlines are failing.  our industry is failing.  our real estate is in a bubble.  our citizens have so much debt its going to take a generation for them to find their way out of it.

our country is heading for a big problem.  bush certainly doesn't recognise it.  I doubt the democrats will.

heres a hint.  so long as the parties are wibbling on about terrorism, taxes and the Iraq war and patriotism they are avoiding a heap of real issues.
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January 29th, 2006 5:09pm
Regarding education - NCLB is a huge part of the problem. I definitely see signs in our schools of NCLB hurting the opportunities for children with higher aptitudes. (I've seen this in the past as well - when middle managers try to focus on "narrowing the gap" they do it as much by lowering the top as raising the bottom)

Philo
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January 29th, 2006 5:38pm

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