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Any opinions on last night's episode?
Permalink example 
January 7th, 2006
Totally awesome.
My only misgiving about it is Adama deciding so quickly to execute Cain - maybe the exigency of the situation has really brought him to grips with the necessities of being totally isolated.
The story about Cain drafting civilians from the civilian ships was chilling and very well played.

And I'm still very annoyed we won't get to hear "Sir, I think you should look at the other Battlestar"

Philo
Permalink Philo 
January 7th, 2006
can't wait 'til next week's ep!!! it's kinda like two cliffhangers in a row, if you ask me...
Permalink Kenny 
January 7th, 2006
I'm wondering what will happen during the raid -- will we have a standoff, with both assassins in each other's CIC pointing pistols at the commander's heads, while they realize that the phrase each just said was intended for their opposite in their home ship?

Starbuck's decision is tough because she really really wants to kick some Cylon chassis, and thinks Cain will be the one to let her do it. The other guy (I never caught his name) is tempered by what he saw Cain do earlier.

I think Adama's decision was made when he heard about what happened to the civilian ships under the "protection" of the Pegasus.
Permalink example 
January 7th, 2006
My guess is that the guy sent to kill Adama will hand his weapon over to Adama. Not sure whether he'll decide to betray Caine before the whole thing starts or in the heat of the moment.

Philo
Permalink Philo 
January 7th, 2006
Woah, I thought it was airing on the 9th, it was last night?

SWEET.
Permalink MarkTAW 
January 7th, 2006
Here's your chance to vote:

[ ] Starbuck succeeds, minion doesn't
[ ] Minion succeeds, Starbuck doesn't
[ ] Both fail, Adama & Caine both live
[ ] Starbuck & minion both fail, but Caine dies somehow anyway
[ ] Starbuck & minion both fail, but Adama dies somehow anyway
[ ] Both succeed
[ ] Cliffhanger
[ ] Some other combination of the above
[ ] Something else entirely
[ ] Example needs to get a life
Permalink example 
January 7th, 2006
I want to know why Adama was flying the stealth fighter, Starbuck is really the best one qualified to do it, remember how hard it was to handle? I guess it could have been a few months, but still, she is their best pilot.
Permalink MarkTAW 
January 8th, 2006
Holee shit.

What I liked about it was that the people actually seemed rational. I'm not sure about Cain's plan though; are the crews so mixed that the marines can just hang around, posing as whatever?

Adama's plan has the advantage of speed, and she trusts Starbuck more. However, I'm guessing she realizes what Adama must've been conferring with Starbuck about...

Probably best to attack Cain before the mission though, as she's the greater threat than the Cylons. Hard choice. I mean, if you attack Cain, you have a chance of picking up her battlestar.

One possibility though is her battlestar might fall in the Cylon attack... though with the Galactica people still in it?
Permalink Tayssir John Gabbour 
January 8th, 2006
Yeah, I was curious why Apollo had control of the stealth ship... presumably because Starbuck needs to lead the attack? (And is this otherwise important for the plot?)

I wonder if Pegasus's Six and/or the guys in the brig will have anything to do with the action...

The problem is each commander has the incentive to let the other battlestar get a bit fucked up...
Permalink Tayssir John Gabbour 
January 8th, 2006
Where are you guys getting that Apollo's flying the stealth ship? I had assumed Starbuck was flying the stealth mission (but I may have missed something)

I'm wondering if during the standoff a base star will show up, getting them to call it off, and Cain will go out in a blaze of glory just like the Pegasus did in the orginal series.

Philo
Permalink Philo 
January 8th, 2006
I never watched the original series for fear of spoilers.... But thanks Philo. :P

During the mission debriefing, Starbuck said "Adama will attack in the Stealth ship" or something like that.
Permalink MarkTAW 
January 8th, 2006
Fortunately they don't stick to the old series like that, as the writer mentions in his podcasts. In fact, from what I can tell, the old series largely sucked... I guess that was before they invented coherent plots.
Permalink Tayssir John Gabbour 
January 8th, 2006
The old series did get pretty bad, the robotic dog, for example. But Jane Seymour was hot, and that made it all worth it.

I re-watched the pilot episodes (miniseries) a while back, and they borrowed a lot of the plot elements, but stuff they completely glossed over in the original, or was only a brief plot point (lack of water), became the focus, or backdrop of several episodes. Pegasus itself was from the original series.

A lot has changed too... Cylons didn't look like humans, a lot of the characters have changed (Starbuck was a boy), and some more things I'd mention, but might be spoilers.

Enough of the elements are similar, and if Philo expect this plot arc to play out the same way...

I don't consider spoilers to be just actually knowing what's going to happen, but something that will change my expectation. If I'm sitting there thinking too much and enjoying less, the experience is somewhat spoiled for me.
Permalink MarkTAW 
January 8th, 2006
Wow, what a great show. I watched BSG back in the '70s as a teen. I really enjoyed it then, but the new one is infinitely better. There were a few problems in the old show. I really hated the anoying kid "Boxey". He was Wil Crusher times a thousand. The show totally fell apart when they found Earth and became Battlestar Galactica 1980.

What I want to know is why would anyone think that the Cylon Babe would tell Dr. Basheer the truth about the importance of the "Resurrection Ship".
Permalink XYZZY 
January 8th, 2006
The doc is a walking contradiction. They probably trust him because they have no other choice, and what he says fits what they want to believe. Once they trust him, they don't go on to asking if they trust her.

Now, if what she's saying is true and they can (upon death) transmit a large amount of data back to the cylon ship, how hard would it be to do the same thing when alive? Maybe they'd be detected, but nobody knows that for sure. Even just an occasional blip could help determine direction and distance.
Permalink MarkTAW 
January 8th, 2006
Mark, I guess it is impossible to have a totally logical path for everything. The point of course is good entertainment. The Cylons believe in Silicone Heaven (Red Dwarf), but maybe there is no real rebirth for Cylons at Carousel (Logan's Run).
By the way, did you notice I called the doc "Basheer" rather than "Baltar"? I call him that because his accent reminds me of the Deep Space Nine doctor. For fun I almost called the Cylon Babe the Borg Babe. There are so many parallels to other science fiction shows.
Permalink XYZZY 
January 8th, 2006
I noticed you said Basheer instead of Baltar, but I had no idea who Basheer was. The most obvious parallel is Star Trek Voyager, except that they aren't encountering a new alien species every week, but they're both 'stranded' in space, with only themselves to rely upon.

Life isn't any more logical than television, it's completely believable that someone as odd as him could have a high level of trust. Plus, being vice president now, any time they want to counter what he says, they have to ... wait a minute, if the president dies, he's the new president?

If there's no Silcon Heaven, where do all the toasters go?
Permalink MarkTAW 
January 9th, 2006
It's interesting that Adama has to become what he apparently despises in order to "make things right" ... I loved the flashing back and forth between Cain's plotting and Adama's plotting. As different as the two leaders are, they think alike strategically.
Permalink Bored Bystander 
January 9th, 2006
Would you ever kill a person?

vs.

If you had a gun and met Hitler in 1931...
Permalink Philo 
January 9th, 2006

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