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I've always believed that war should be put to a national vote, and anyone who can be drafted who also votes for the war, should be considered first if there is a draft. Give war some teeth on the homefront.
Permalink MarkTAW 
August 19th, 2005
Mark, not that I necessarily disagree, but how would you justify putting war up for referendum and not any other particular issue?

I only ask because for any issue that we could take a gander at, there's always someone who thinks it should be put to the public vote, rather than place it in the hands of the govt that was voted into power (setting aside arguments about how fair those elections might be perceived).
Permalink Joel Goodwin 
August 19th, 2005
Typical American schizofrenia. Like I said before, in the UK the war in Iraq is a non-issue because it's a purely professional army and people are happy to spend a bit of money to ship off all the psychos to the desert to shoot at somebody else. In the US, people seem incapable of understanding the difference between a war to protect the homeland and a war to protect geopolitical interests.
Permalink Flasher T 
August 19th, 2005
It's not that we can't understand it, it's that we can't admit that we're in a war to preserve our geopolitical interests and we're not really defending ourselves from any imminent threat (in the case of Iraq).
Permalink muppet 
August 19th, 2005
>Mark, not that I necessarily disagree, but how would you
>justify putting war up for referendum and not any other
>particular issue?

Because arguably the decision whether or not to go to war is one of the most important decisions a government can make.
Permalink Colm O'Connor 
August 19th, 2005
The war in the UK is a non issue?

Ummmm, nope its not.
Permalink Simon Lucy 
August 19th, 2005
We have war for geopolitical interests all the time. Whether it was by chance or planned, we managed to pull off a pretty major war. That is, whether Bush intended to invade Iraq all along and used 9/11 as justification, or he siezed the opportunity of 9/11 to invade Iraq.

The American people still believe in a sort of isolationist America that only attacks if provoked. A purely political war would be unjustifiable.

Or, more likely, we all know what's going on, but allow ourselves to pretend to be hoodwinked so we can feign innocence while still accomplishing our goals.

As for why we should vote on a war when we don't vote for anything else.... we're at the point where our elected officials (emphasis on the plural) aren't even voting for war, the President has all the power, and he's not supposed to. At this point sending a war vote to Congress seems like a giant step in the right direction, but we can't even do that. The President is supposed to submit his budget to Congress for approval, but each year he really gets a blank check because Congress is unwilling to do what it would take to reduce the deficit - shut down branches of government, not repay some debts.

I'm not even sure why we have a congress. They do something right?
Permalink MarkTAW 
August 19th, 2005
That statement was based on a Sky news poll, before the election, of how many people were going to base their voting decision on Iraq. It was something like 8%.
Permalink Flasher T 
August 19th, 2005
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