I keep hearing about this Geocities thing. Maybe some day I will try it.

The US has the very very best health care system

We're ranked #1 in "Care Process" but unranked in every other aspect.
Permalink NPR 
July 17th, 2017 7:14am
Wait, I don't see the US anywhere on that chart. It's still early. I was seeing things that weren't there.
Permalink NPR 
July 17th, 2017 7:15am
US is ranked 5th in "care process" and 10th in "administrative efficiency".

But below 10th in everything else.
Permalink Pestular Croaker 
July 17th, 2017 7:33am
OK, US is 11th in the 3 other things, which is dead last among the 11 nations compared.

Annoyingly, they show the first 10 rows of a chart with 11 rows.
Permalink Pestular Croaker 
July 17th, 2017 7:34am
The UK is first although the media tells us on a daily basis that it is failing.
Permalink libtard_uk 
July 17th, 2017 9:55am
That's the same Murdoch backed media that runs Fox-News, I suppose.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 17th, 2017 9:59am
All the media, even the BBC.
Permalink libtard_uk 
July 17th, 2017 11:29am
All government programs have been failing for a hundred years now.  Health care, welfare, etc.  All failing all time.
Permalink Send private email Almost Anonymous 
July 17th, 2017 11:35am
The UK ranks #1 overall but 10th for "Health Outcomes"?  WTF kind of health "care" is that eh?  What's the objective?

As  user of both, my impression is that for the patient, the process, access, equity and outcomes are somewhat better in the French system than the UK. I expect the French system is considered inefficient and expensive though.
Permalink Trog 
July 17th, 2017 1:51pm
UK system is underfunded and overly centralised.
Permalink Yoda 
July 17th, 2017 1:56pm
"The UK ranks #1 overall but 10th for "Health Outcomes"?"

Yeah.

Most of us consider actual health outcomes and affordability to be relevant factors.

The study though considers quality of administration to be key. For example, are the administrators being paid enough? Do they have good benefits?
Permalink Pestular Croaker 
July 17th, 2017 2:09pm
No, it's e.g. if your health records available easily for the GP, etc.
Permalink Yoda 
July 17th, 2017 2:18pm
Their study shows that the metrics they are using to determine quality are inversely correlated to actual health outcomes. Doesn't that mean their metrics are shit?
Permalink Pestular Croaker 
July 17th, 2017 2:37pm
The NHS is very good if you have an acute problem, not so good for chronic issues.
Permalink libtard_uk 
July 17th, 2017 3:48pm
I had a simple operation done in an NHS hospital, ended up filing a complaint.
Permalink Yoda 
July 17th, 2017 4:42pm
The NHS *eas* excellent because it was adequately funded. No longer. Staff shortages and with large chunks outsourced for profit it is being run into the ground to the point where a disbelieving public can be induced to accept further privatisation.

Multinational for-profit health is relentless in its quest to kill off social programs and while the NHS is the biggest elephant in the room our own mixed model in Oz - in particular the PBS - is under constant attack.

Face it, there's real reasons the US comes dead last in those metrics and why no sane person could consider living there.
Permalink trollop 
July 17th, 2017 9:43pm
First of all, very few people are on Obamacare, only about 50 million out of 300 million people.

The rest of us get medical care through our employer, or the military.  Though the ACA has provided historical reductions in the increases in private insurers rates.  You see, before the ACA, if medical practitioners charged the Moon, medical insurers made MORE profit.

The only limiting factors on rates for Medical Insurance was from employers -- who had a large enough pool to limit rate increases to a mere 20% per year.  Under the ACA it dropped to 4% a year or less.

Second of all, we don't live here for the medical care.  We live here for the income, the beef, two cars for each household, and the highest standard of living in the world.  6 Billion People, and a mere 300 million get 90% of the resources.  It's nice.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 17th, 2017 9:51pm
But yes, we get butt-fucked over medical care if you're unemployed -- at least until the ACA kicked in.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 17th, 2017 9:52pm
Last year, I was one of those who got expanded medicare. If I didn't, I would be permabroke. At about $10k-11k per day in a hospital, any equity in my home would have gone poof and I'd be harassed by debt collectors until after I died.

My current gig has an insurance policy that is grandfathered in because it isn't ACA-compliant. Among other things, it does not cover hospitalization at all. Which makes the idea of going to the ER into a "can I afford this, or should I just die here right now?" It still costs $170/week for a single person.

With the repeal of ACA, we'll go back to trash insurance policies that don't cover anything.
Permalink Pie is a lot better than fine 
July 17th, 2017 11:50pm
> The NHS is very good if you have an acute problem, not so good for chronic issues.

This is completely true, when I was in intensive care and when one of my children was in intensive care they did a bloody good job.

Maternity care during the birth of my children however - absolutely appalling - midwives with no sleep for 20 hours, me shouting down the corridor for help, me pointing out to them them probably ought to stop the bleeding, most of the stitches failing (done by midwife as no surgeons available).

Regular children's ward down the corridor from the intensive care ward - barely staffed at all overnight.
Permalink Trog 
July 18th, 2017 2:59am
>With the repeal of ACA, we'll go back to trash insurance policies that don't cover anything.

Looks like for now, the Republicans won't get to live the dream of killing the people who voted for them.

We'll see though. The blood lust is strong.
Permalink Shylock 
July 18th, 2017 8:53am
It's funny -- the "Repeal and replace!" didn't work, the "Make it cheaper/kill Medicare" didn't work, so NOW they're going back to "Repeal and do NOTHING!" -- like that's EASIER?
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 18th, 2017 9:51am
I begin to suspect they realised that Obamacare has to stay, but they're unable to admit they were wrong. So they will keep on trying to repeal it but somehow failing to do so.
Permalink Yoda 
July 18th, 2017 11:12am
They never in their wildest dreams imagined that Trump would win it.
Permalink Shylock 
July 18th, 2017 11:15am