https://sourcecontribute.com/2017/08/22/node-js-has-forked-into-ayo/

https://medium.com/@nebrius/why-im-leaving-the-node-js-project-bff946845a77

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15072622

Watch this space.

This is going on throughout a bunch of these big open source projects. SJW inspired Code of Conduct put in place, then people start going on witch hunts to destroy people's reputation, stalk their private lives, and other such behavior in order to eliminate competitors, rivals, and other contributors who once hurt their feelings by doing something like pointing out their code isn't very good.

Either the key contributors are driven out, or the SJW wankers quit in a huff and write a hit piece on the way out like we see here.

Last year it was that guy who turned out to be into sci-fi inspired BDSM in his personal life. Now we see a vendetta against Rod Vagg. As usual the details of the accusations get removed with claims that they are too bad for people to see, causing people to imagine the worse. Instead the reason they are removed is they know if people see the actual accusations they realize the accusers are a bunch of petty SJW backstabbing nutjobs working to destroy the project.

Yeah, the problem with this hipster shit is that SJW stuff and "call out anyone who disagrees with you/voted for Trump/thinks #AllLivesMatter" type Tumblr bullshit is infesting many open source projects, so you get into stuff like that where someone is kicked from a project because they used the wrong pronoun or are into some weird consensual fantasy or think that self-diagnosing a mental illness isn't valid, so the rest of the SJW crowd run them out.

Found the list of issues.

Some contributor was modded over some issue by low contributing SJW mods. This contributor complained to Rod. Rod responded to the guy that he was sorry to hear that happened to him. The SJW mods saw this and say that Rod was undermining their authority by sympathizing with the violator whom they had modded in order to ensure that contributors feel safe and have the courage to submit patches.

Rod was asked to moderate himself and remove his own posts by someone. Rod said he would not do so and that if the person wanted Rod moderated they should ask another moderator to do so as if he felt there was something wrong with his post he wouldn't have made it. The complaint here is that Rod failed in his moderator duties to moderate a post that someone found objectionable. The moderator rules do not specify that one can decline to moderate their own posts, therefore Rod was violating the moderatorship rules.

Someone wrote an article criticizing the use of Codes of Conduct. Rod included a link to the article in a Twitter comment. He did not say he agreed or disagreed with the article but posted it because he thought it was a topic of interest. Rod here is accused of being hostile to Codes of Conduct because he linked to an opinion that Codes of Conduct sometimes were problematic. Although Rod does not agree with the article, the complainant says that someone seeing this would clearly infer that Rod was advocating against Codes of Conduct that are needed to protect contributors so they will feel safe and have the courage to submit patches.

So these are the complaints against him. 40% voted he should be removed from the project because of these violations.

Rod did not object to these specific complaints being posted. It was the complainants that decided not only to remove their own complaints, but to issue a statement that anyone who posts their complaints is violating the safe space confidential rules of the moderators and will be removed from the project.

I can see why. Any sane person seeing that these are the complaints knows that this is a witch hunt, Rod has done nothing wrong, and the people attacking him are not only trying to defame him but prevent people from learning the truth about all of it.

If you found it, link to it!

most of these open source codes of conduct are little more than SJW wankfests to "make everyone comfortable" to contribute.  to software.  Because anyone should give a fuck if some random person who wants to use custom pronouns or whatever contributes to software.

The list is still available to contributors to the project but in confidential and posting it is grounds for expulsion.

Interestingly, the new Ayo fork project, only hours old, has announced that they are already having massing problems and drama with their attempts at organization and even huge tempers flaring up over what the purpose of the project should be.

Ah, so you made this shit up (99% probability).

Welcome back, RP.

"make everyone comfortable"

I assume it goes without saying here that it is precisely these codes and the people who are big non-contributors (other than constantly flagging source code comments for improper pronoun use and other such massive wastes of time that require apologies and handholding) who use these codes to attack actual contributors has created a MASSIVE unsafe environment in which it is NOT SAFE to contribute it is NOT COMFORTABLE to contribute, and no one with good skills contributes after they realize what a shitfest this SJW crap is.

"so you made this shit up"

No. Check the site. It has the links and the note that reposting it is grounds for removal from the project. Internally we've been told, possible legal action as well.

You can become a contributor and check it yourself. It's not hard. Flag a pronoun issue.

BTW, after you verify all I said above is true, I do expect an apology from you for your insults. I said nothing to insult you and you attacked me and lied about me without cause.

"No. Check the site. It has the links and the note that reposting it is grounds for removal from the project. Internally we've been told, possible legal action as well."

You know very well that by doing that I won't be able to verify most of the stuff you have claimed.

Most probably, you have checked that they hid the list of issues (and thus nobody can fact-check your claims) and proceeded to make this stuff up, claiming insider knowledge. Probably you did it because you have a mental health issue (pathological lying), or pretending to be an insider in a failing Javascript project gives you a hard-on (can't imagine anything more pathetic - you have my condolences).

I have observed you acting a bit more rationally via your Reality Check persona for hte last few days, but now you're reverting to your good old self.

What I said was totally true.

Here's more background for you on the moderation issue for example.

Back in March there was a board meeting. Ms. Williams reasonably brought up that both Rod and Dan are employees of NodeSource and the bylines prohibit more than one seat being held by members of a single company and proposed that either one of them step down or the bylaws be changed. This was discussed further after the meeting and the history how it came about that two people from the same company had board seats was discussed, with proposals for changes and such being discussed. After a long discussion Rod finally stepped in and posted some background he felt was relevant. Ms. Williams felt his wording suggested he suspected this was a competitively motivated maneuver rather than one motivated by true desire to adhere to guidelines. She also objected to his naming of specific companies in his comment and asked him to remove his comment. He declined to do so. Mr. Snell then exercised his moderatorship to remove the material that Ms. Williams objected to. Ms. Williams later was involved in the proposals to have Mr. Vagg removed from the project.

Since then, today in fact and probably in response to "leaks" like this one, Mr. Snell, who seems to be in alliance with Ms. Williams, has proposed that this subboard be moved where these sorts of discussions take place. That board where the witch hunts take place is currently available to be read by random other members of the project such as myself but not the general public. The proposal is that this board be a separate github respository "star chamber" NOT available to project contributors and only permitted to be seen by the secret inner sanctum members. This proposal has been accepted and is in the process of being implemented, so the comments will soon not be able to be seen by project members, nor will there ever again be transparency at all even to project contributors about what is really going on behind the scenes.

Ask around. Surely you know others who are involved in this. They will verify 100% what I said.

Do that. Then post your apology to me and your retraction for your vile and hateful accusations.

I actually called my friend who's an old schoolmate of someone deeply involved in this scandal. He said he knows this thing in detail and nothing what you wrote it even remotely true.

Feel free to post what your friend told you since you have an inside connection you feel is relevant.

Was his focus more on the situation with Robbins and the political finagling of GoDaddy's system of attorneys and advisors in trying to get greater control over Node as a competitive advantage?

That background being mentioned was the core of what Williams was objecting to.

No, it was about the connections between some Node.js core developers and KKK structures in Alabama.

KKK is so fucking boring. I rather join XXX.

Better to join AAA and never get stranded with a flat tire.

Are you serious?

Behind the scenes all this is a Machiavellian struggle for control over the Node project between investors backing GoDaddy and NodeSource which they feel has too much influence. The transcripts and discussions and history all support this. Nothing about KKK accusations has been any part of any of this. However, by deleting all the public history and moving discussion to the new star chamber, I can see how it would be possible to push rumors of whatever they wish that will be necessary to eliminate their competition. So they can say NodeSource supports the KKK and no one can argue against it because all the evidence has been removed from public view and those of us with access to it are being threatened with legal action if we disclose it.

As we see here, disclosing it causes attacks and accusations. Which is interesting since you claim to have some connection to all this other than as a contributor. You are in finance. Do any companies you are involved with have investments in GoDaddy?

I will join AAA after I can't get it up anymore. In the mean time, I like XXX.

If anyone's interested here's the twitter thread that the third  complaint against Rob mentioned.

https://twitter.com/rvagg/status/887652116524707841

You can see (or verify rather) that I accurately represented it in my description.

Direct link to the article that the SJWs went crazy over against him.

http://quillette.com/2017/07/18/neurodiversity-case-free-speech/

You can also look at some of the interactions between Rob and the multigendered people with purple hair and weird haircuts who are ravaging him in the Twitter thread.

This also is a public source that shows the depth of the vendetta by Williams against him and her work to smear his reputation and make an unsafe hostile environment for him.

https://twitter.com/ag_dubs/status/887785046320480256

He is a jerk.

Like Newton...

Correction: Mx. Williams does not identify with a gender. They prefers the use of the pronoun they and the use of Mx. rather than either Mr. or Ms. Apologies for the confusion and no disrespect intended, I did not realize this was the case at the time.

I like Mx.

Welcome Mx. Rk.

"You can see (or verify rather) that I accurately represented it in my description."

It proves that you misrepresented it. rvagg is thick as bricks.

Fucking hell, good luck finding legitimate source code contributions by the SJWs that are wielding the tomahawks and preparing their scalping knives in these witchhunts.

Seriously.

Check out their githubs and look at their repositories and their commits.

You find stuff like 10 line projects that don't actually do anything and look like something done by someone one day out of a code camp, and tons of edits and commits to things like slide shows of their talks on gender, marxism and satanism that they committed to github.

Then look at the guys they are attacking (and yeah it's always guys they attack). These dudes have tens and hundreds of thousands of lines of hard core code they've written that forms the backbone of these projects.

Yoda stop lying. It's offensive and you have defamed me. I'm saying that in the legal sense. I demand your apology and retraction.

Also answer the question regarding your professional and investment involvement in this.

So... you're going to sue me?

Har har har.

Can't sue a Polish person. He is half German and half Russian. Which half do you sue?

Imma weasel

German or Russian weasel?

Just a weasel.

What a shitstorm. Another good reason not to use Node.js.

Node gets a lot of criticism but it's really improved over the years and is tremendously useful and well designed.

I don't know what we do about these SJW people who don't really  code or contribute significantly (despite their claims to the contrary) who come into project after project and start shit against long term respected contributors who have created the core of the project and are backbones of the community.

One of the people here has been less than 3 years since they graduated college, and it wasn't in computer science. They have no real projects behind them.

I want to use kkk.js in my next project. When will it be available?

What's your project?

Honestly at this point I am hesitant to recommend Node due to the problems with its management.

I like the design of Javascript a lot and find it really flexible. The performance of the V8 core is astonishing. It greatly outclasses Python.

However, for basic projects these days I've been using Python even though it's slower. For most projects it doesn't matter. Python also has very well developed libraries. And there's none of this SJW stuff and colossal struggles between corporate behemoths who are hiring anarchists and crazies to attack core contributors who just happen to work for their competitors. I can't even begin to emphasize how counterproductive these tactics are.

these SJW folks just turn everything they touch to shit with their gender identities and related mental illnesses.  When did it become cool to accept a disease as normal?

The HN thread linkec above was flagkilled.

Better link

https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6vhbfc/nodejs_is_forked_to_ayojs_pronounced_like_io/

There's almost no discussion of what the guy allegedly did,

Probably because it would seem inconsequential. The implication without presenting any evidence makes people imagine the worst.

He didn't do shit. This fucker isn't a Trump supporter or whatever. He's a solid reasonable contributor. It's fucking documented, god dammit you fucking imbeciles, just look! It's all public! His detractors haven't done shit other than post public posters calling for anarchism, advocate for "satanism" whatever the fuck that is, refuse to be identified by gender, and haven't written any legitimate valuable code that's ever been used by the public.

Look into this! It's fucking insane! And if you don't get wise, these useless incompetent motherfuckers are coming for YOU next.

"my friend who's an old schoolmate of someone deeply involved in this scandal. He said he knows this thing in detail and nothing what you wrote it even remotely true."

Pure bullshit. Does not follow.

I honestly never, ever trust any account of a political battle coming from any of the combatants. They're ALWAYS!!! part of the fight and the problem. And they ALWAYS have agendas. The ones at fault are busy painting gold gilt on a turd. The ones victimized have an equally distorted opposite view. So any say so from someone's friend who is on the open source project is pure crap, untrustworthy noise.

I think Reality Check's analysis rings completely true because it's observations of patterns of behavior conducted at a distance.

AKA "faux objectivity"

This German developer has a completely different theory about what happened to start all this. I can't verify if this was an actual issue at some point or his source for these claims. It's not from the list of complaints that was presented.

https://forum.golem.de/kommentare/opensource/open-source-node.js-fuehrung-zerstreitet-sich-ueber-code-of-conduct/der-konkrete-verstoss/111590,4885673,4885839,read.html

The concrete infringement
Author: AntonZietz 22.08.17 - 19:09

Rod Vagg is accused of having infringed the CoC, in detail:

1) thoughtless use of pronouns
2) assumptions of gender

He has often described things not gender-neutral.

CoC: https://contributor-covenant.org/version/1/4/code_of_conduct.txt
Discussions: All already deleted.
Here is some more metadiscussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15072622

I leave my personal opinion on this point. For further information only.
The wish of the exclusion comes from

Anna Henningsen (aka addaleax) ("she" is a man and has given herself a women's name)

Myles Borins (aka thealphanerd) (a man who, according to his own statements, is a woman but wants to wear a beard)
Bryan Hughes (aka nebrius) (a man who feels trapped in his body)

Simply times the persons + pictures in google search.

Re: The real offense
Author: qwertü 22.08.17 - 19:45

Thanks for the research. I find it legitimate to impose such violations. The Node project certainly has nothing to do with someone else's team members being bullyed by bullying.

New development, official statement from the Node Foundation board. They've decided to override the TSC's authority and plan to do so in private closed door meeting inaccessible and unaccountable to Node contributors.

https://github.com/nodejs/board/issues/67

They have told the TSC that they are to reconsider the matter and take a new vote and the outcome must be to suspend Rod Vagg and the vote must be unanimous.

LOL what the actual fuck? Jumpin' Jesus on a pogo stick, these people are insane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p93NCyV5Hws