It looked better with the spigot, even though the curve was off a few pixels.

Shall I fix the curve?

You can..  It was rudely copied.  Send me the code otherwise we might clobber each other (until I get subversion up and running).

AHA -- this thing is a table nightmare...

:-)

TABLES??!!

Don't blame me..  blame joel! 
(it's his ugly CSS too)

I did add a table to make that header though -- I only had about 5 minutes to do it.

OK, I've sent you a new header file...

wait, your fonts are screwy...

...the design and CSS for this site will need a bit of an overhaul.  Joel's CSS is a bit crazy.

Jeff, just do a 'Save as...' on one of the site pages and do you editing with that.  Then you can ensure you have the right CSS and layout (and be able test your code before sending it to me)

http://crazyontap.codaris.com/index-jeff.php

What do you think?

Needs more whitespace between the header and first post.  Just a few pixels I think.

Text for links looks too big by 1pt, to my eye.

added white space...

(I'm just touching the header...)

More whitespace for sure.  And make Crazy On Tap a dark blue -- it looks really good that way.

I think it's better as "Crazy On Tap" as opposed to "CrazyOnTap.com"

Opinions?

I agree with the separation of words versus the url.

I concur.  "Crazy On Tap" is better.

Okay AHA...

I'm done with changes for now.
http://crazyontap.codaris.com/index-jeff.php for those that want to see what I've done.

I've created a few xxxx-jeff.xxx files that you can find and take the code from as you see fit...

I *so* have to get a subversion repository up for this place!

If I had any fucking clue how to use subversion, I'd totally root for that.  :)

Have you ever used CVS?  Same thing..  only better.

Nope.

I've only (very briefly) used SourceSafe.  There is ZERO source control where I am now.

Jeff's new header looks quite good.  The ?off'ers rock.

AHA, would you be willing to (gasp) open-source the code for this forum?  I'm interested in hosting some FogBugz-style forums for a couple of things, but I don't have a need for bug tracking right now.  It seems backwards to purchase a bug tracking application just so that I can use its forums.  I've tried some other forum apps, but they're just so bloated that it wasn't worth it.

Subversion is free muppet, and even if you can't get the whole team on it, you'll be ahead just installing it on your own box.

Don't tell me you can't install 'unapproved' software on your  workstation...

I can, but what a pain :)

Oh ok.  I can get you setup real quick.  It's about 100 times times to use than SourceSafe.  Get TortoiseSVN (http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/) -- it integrates into explorer.  Then you just need to right-click to checkout or update and right-click to commit your changes.

"AHA, would you be willing to (gasp) open-source the code for this forum?"

That is my plan.

It'll connect to web-based repositories from explorer?

Neat.

I've heard that subversion doesn't keep other folks from checking out what's already checked out..?

Nope.  Neither does CVS.  It doesn't lock what is checked out.  The system will merge everyone's changes together or if I cannot do that, it will alert you and give you the opportunity to merge yourself.

It works extremely well.

http://software.ericsink.com/scm/source_control.html

If you aren't familiar with the concepts, this is worth the time...

I'm familiar with the basic concept of source control, Jeff.

:P

There is more to it than, "it stors versions and you can use it he he :P".