Give ne back my hat!

Candidate Drive Job Market

I don't know what that chart means.

https://hbr.org/2015/07/setting-the-record-straight-on-switching-jobs


2.7% unemployment among college graduates.


Quit today!
Permalink X 
October 7th, 2017 12:06pm
What the article describes is not my experience or that of anyone I know.

It was written in Oct 2015, maybe that happened that month only.

Nearly all the anecdotes and quotes are from a guy who was a McKinsey Consultant whose job title appeared to be "senior executive adviser", and made one job switch at the time.

Maybe for him in his field at that time the things they say are true.

But generally? I don't see that in real life.
Permalink Reality Check 
October 7th, 2017 12:26pm
Interesting.

What kind of things in the article do you find not to be true in real life?

I only ask because I couldn't really extract anything tangible from the article. For example, a definition of candidate driven job markets.

Still I felt it useful to encourage people to quit. In my experience, you get single digit salary increases when you stay at the same company and double digit increases when you change companies. So, yeah, do that.
Permalink X 
October 7th, 2017 12:53pm
Look, the article is obviously a paid for placed puff piece which was written by Claudio Fernández-Aráoz or his publicist and is part of efforts to promote his book "It’s Not the How or the What but the Who: Succeed by Surrounding Yourself with the Best". He claims to be a senior adviser at global executive search firm Egon Zehnder, which no one has heard of, and says he previously worked at McKinsey ... in Europe ... in the 1980s ... in an unspecified position. He claims when he decided to leave they begged him not to and did everything they could to make him happy, including allowing him to move back to Argentina and work remotely for full pay. ORLY! Then he suggests his experience is representative of 2015.

The guy is a liar. The article is ghostwritten. The "author" Amy Gallo is a complete fraud who isn't even a real person, the author photo is photoshopped.

And you want a line by line dissection of this old crapfest you dragged in here and posted? Who the fuck are you again?
Permalink Reality Check 
October 7th, 2017 1:03pm
Author seems legit
THere's even a video

https://hbr.org/search?term=amy+gallo
Permalink X 
October 7th, 2017 1:41pm
The job market seems to be divided into two segments.  There's the "hot" candidates on the success track.  There's the candidates who haven't had great jobs and therefore must be unqualified.

There's a lot of competition for the "hot" candidates.  Nobody wants to bother looking through the leftovers to try and find qualified people.
Permalink FSK 
October 7th, 2017 1:52pm
Even if there is an incredibly hot market in europe for 1980s McKinsey Consultants whose are now "senior executive adviser", which I doubt, what does that have to do with IT jobs?
Permalink Reality Check 
October 7th, 2017 2:04pm
Search costs and false positive damage is quite high.

I don't interview many people. but seems people struggle to identify good employees through that process.

How to get into the good pile?

Classic way: go to Stanford, join Google for 3+ years. Now, you're blessed.

Do kaggle or top coder or any of these objective testing sites offer a path?
Permalink X 
October 7th, 2017 2:04pm
I've got a degree from a top 5 CS school. It makes it sure that my resume isn't one of the unlucky ones that gets randomly selected for the circular file.

I still have to go through all the bullshit in the interview though, and when I don't know the trick answer, then I'm not qualified, same as everyone else.
Permalink Reality Check 
October 7th, 2017 2:30pm
Likewise if I don't have 5 years in 3 yr old ABC minor technology in the alphabet soup requirements. Doesn't matter where your degree is from. You don't know ABC?
Permalink Reality Check 
October 7th, 2017 2:31pm
Anyway point is that the answer is "You just need a degree from a top CS university." No.

Likewise in the sciences. You can do Nobel Prize winning work, then end up as a $8/hr car dealer shuttle driver in Huntsville. That's what it's worth to be a Nobel Laureate.
Permalink Reality Check 
October 7th, 2017 2:33pm
I have a degree from a top university.  However, with low-quality experience I"m now seen as defective.

You need to get on the success track and stay there.  I took a couple of poor jobs in a row, and now I'm stuck.
Permalink FSK 
October 7th, 2017 2:40pm
"It's a candidates market! In all fields!" - claim in article

Let's apply basic economic theory to that claim. What is happening to salaries, benefits, compensation in all these fields? Are they massively rising to reflect a candidate's market?
Permalink Reality Check 
October 7th, 2017 2:50pm
Oh, boo-hoo hoo, woe is me, I'm the under-appreciated genius... Man, you like to make excuses, FSK. I doubt your experience is as much of a negative as you seem to think it is. You have control over your mindset, and you seem to be stuck in some pretty negative thought patterns. That might have something to do with the results you're getting.
Permalink NPR 
October 7th, 2017 2:52pm
the economy is so good. Now is the chance to upgrade
Permalink X 
October 7th, 2017 2:56pm
AH! That's a good summary. I can agree with that. There are assertions that there's a shortage of qualified talent and it's an excellent time to get a big salary bump by switching jobs.

Nothing to lose from trying. X is correct that according to the latest claims, this is the opportunity of a lifetime.

I just ask that each of you after each attempt report back your results and findings here, with specific numbers and names of firms.
Permalink Reality Check 
October 7th, 2017 3:19pm

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