Give ne back my hat!

Catalan: "Has anyone seen our balls?"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-11/spanish-prime-minister-demands-clarity-from-catalonia/9040886

Catalan can't bring itself to say they declare independence.

Madrid had to ask them to clarify "if they consider themselves independent", in preparation to activate article 155, which disbands Catalonia's government and applies Madrid administered martial law.
Permalink Reality Check 
October 11th, 2017 5:07pm
WORST INDEPENDENCE EVER.
Permalink Reality Check 
October 11th, 2017 5:07pm
Probably about half of the Catalonians are against independence. There was a massive demonstration against it in Barcelona last weekend.
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
October 11th, 2017 5:13pm
I've been thinking about this.  They aren't into becoming independent unless people are prepared to die for their cause.  When people are setting fire to themselves in Madrid outside parliament then you know it's on.  Until then, it's just treading water.
Permalink Tristan 
October 11th, 2017 5:32pm
It's not rocket science.

No one deserves or will receive freedom unless they are willing to fight and die for it.

If they aren't, then there is nothing to be gained by making a declaration. Instead it is counterproductive and will lead to loss of rights, increased control, and purges of political leaders, for the rogue area.

Declaring independence without follow through is a terrible strategy, and one of pussies, and foolish ones at that.

Independence is not rocket science. You make sure you have a mandate, you make sure people know the cause is just, then you arm the fuck out of them, then you declare independence. Then you wait. Then you have a big ass fight and a lot of people die. And then you win.
Permalink Reality Check 
October 11th, 2017 6:07pm
They could just blow up every fuel storage tank in Spain, outside of Catalan.  One per day.  That's unlikely to kill people.
Permalink Tristan 
October 11th, 2017 6:09pm
Woman: I WANT A DIVORCE!
Man: Fuck you you stupid bitch, smack smack, pow, you are gonna make me a sammich, you whore!
Woman: I am so sorry, I will make you a sammich.
Man: Afterwards, there's some boys coming around, you are going to have a little gang  bang to pay for your insolence, and you're going to enjoy it.
Woman: I don't want to...
Man: What the FUCK did you say to me you whore? Smack!
Woman: I'm sorry...
Man: That's right, you are sorry.
Permalink Reality Check 
October 11th, 2017 6:10pm
Catalonia almost as pathetic as Scotland.
Permalink Reality Check 
October 11th, 2017 6:11pm
"They could just blow up every fuel storage tank in Spain"

Well that's terrorism, and against corporations, and will ensure that the EU and US even will back Spain.

It's not rocket science.

Arm yourselves, declare independence, then hold your ground.
Permalink Reality Check 
October 11th, 2017 6:13pm
Referendums on these issues are pretty divisive, as the UK is finding out.
Permalink libtard_uk 
October 12th, 2017 2:10am
> Arm yourselves, declare independence, then hold your ground.

And become a proud piss-poor country.

When the Kurds really declare independence, their oil export will be blocked by Turkey, Iran and Iraq, and they are isolated without income.

Happy independence boys and girls!
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
October 12th, 2017 2:24am
Catalans may be satisfied with increased autonomy.
Permalink Yoda 
October 12th, 2017 6:29am
Some won't, there is always a fringe that wants to follow their cause no matter what the cost. Just take a look at the Brexit agitators in the UK right now.
Permalink libtard_uk 
October 12th, 2017 8:19am
Kurds have no coast or port, so they're fucked, forever.  Catalonia does, so they won't be.
Permalink MobyDobie 
October 12th, 2017 10:26am
The banks have already prepared themselves to move from Barcelona to Madrid in case independence is actually declared. Most other large companies operation at larger scale than just Catalonia are also expected to relocate.
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
October 12th, 2017 10:35am
I think it's reasonable to compare this to the Kurdistani Independence movement.

At the same time as the Catalan vote, Kurds also voted, and ALSO had 90% in favor of independence.

And ALSO the vote was declared illegal and ALSO they are saying the leader who allowed the vote is a criminal who will be arrested.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-41583900

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Kurdistan_independence_referendum,_2017

Difference?

Kurds are the only people in Iraq who are worth a damn and are not cowards. THEY are the ones that defeated ISIS, while Iraqi soldiers run like cowards and hide, or collude with terrorists.

Who will win?

Despite the Kurds being the only effective military in the region, it is not certain they will win because it looks like the US, Turkey, Israel and Saudi Arabia have decided to back the Iraq government and will be providing military and operations support, arming and funding to the goal of exterminating the Kurdish race.
Permalink Reality Check 
October 12th, 2017 10:47am
> The banks have already prepared themselves to move from Barcelona to Madrid in case independence is actually declared. Most other large companies operation at larger scale than just Catalonia are also expected to relocate.

And?

They'd be an economic dislocation and associated cost to becoming independent.  Ask any state that became independent.  That's not a reason to be a somebody else's bitch forever.

The reason Kurdistan is fucked, at least economically, is their neighbours could blockade them, pretty much forever.  That said, the Kurds are probably one of the toughest people on the planet, so ain't going to be starved out.
Permalink MobyDobie 
October 12th, 2017 10:52am
> The banks have already prepared themselves to move from Barcelona to Madrid

What's obviously happening right now in Catalonia is they don't have the balls to really be independent, Madrid called them on their shit, and now they will be Madrid's bitch forever.

So your point is irrelevant.

However, if this went down very differently and Catalonia had balls and declared independence and held their territory, then they would also have the balls to nationalize the banks and arrest their leaders for treason as soon as they tried to illegally remove Catalonian bank assets from the nation of Catalonia without authorization.
Permalink Reality Check 
October 12th, 2017 11:08am
Catalonians never vowed allegians to a new Catalonian state.

They are Spaniards since 500 years.

The 90% pro independence vote was in a chaotic situation, not acknowledged by the people against independence, and only got a 40% participation.

Before the escalation, pro and contra independence support were about equal, with a slight majority against.

Idiot once again shows his tribalism by assuming that everybody would rally around some invented identity.
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
October 12th, 2017 11:56am
He's trolling you.
Permalink Yoda 
October 12th, 2017 4:19pm
> He's trolling you.

He is always trolling, but his tribalism is real.
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
October 12th, 2017 4:29pm
> his tribalism is real.

Lol

Meet Idiot, he's a fucking liar and none of it is real.
Permalink X 
October 13th, 2017 1:01am
He is mentally ill.
Permalink Yoda 
October 13th, 2017 5:39am
He has a lot of spare time to indulge in his art. Sometimes he confuses me by posting 100% factual statements.
Permalink Tristin 
October 13th, 2017 12:59pm
His universe is one of violence, heinous crimes, and no joy.
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
October 13th, 2017 1:02pm

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