Give ne back my hat!

RC: Where do you go in China?

You mentioned you go to "the mainland" once a year.

What parts do you visit?

I just got back from my second trip, this time to Shanghai, Nanjing, Guilin and some smaller villages in the Guangxi province.
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November 10th, 2017 7:13am
It's been Shenzhen or Beijing so far. I want to go back and do tourist stuff, but these have been short checks on production.
Permalink Reality Check 
November 10th, 2017 8:51am
RC, when you dream about going there it doesn't count as experience.
Permalink brah! 
November 10th, 2017 9:29am
@RC you have been going for business only?

I've thought about checking out some suppliers next time, as I have an interest in selling Chinese manufactured goods online.
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November 10th, 2017 9:32am
Hey brah, that's Ok. I guess my experience in embedded that I've discussed is for stuff that isn't made in china like literally everything else these days. It would be strange if I hadn't been going there to check on things. That strategy is the one that those Kickstarter projects use: "Send money to China and wait six months. Get a box. WTF! Oh no! Send panicked email to Kickstarter supporters claiming unexpected unforeseeable disaster! No refunds, everybody!" Every single time that's what you get if you don't keep an eye on things.

The factories over there will simply not do it right unless you are there to watch the whole thing, and you have to make your deal with a company that allows you to have an onsite supervisor during the tooling and manufacturing stages. They won't agree to that for small dipshit orders, but for significant ones they do. And that guy is me.
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November 10th, 2017 9:40am
> RC you have been going for business only?

Yeah.

> I've thought about checking out some suppliers next time, as I have an interest in selling Chinese manufactured goods online.

Well good luck with that. There's a million companies out there. 50% of them will scam you if you let them. 40% no speakee english. Remaining 10% are booked solid for the next 25 years.

Best bet is bring along someone who has enough of an engineering degree to understand tech speak nuances and speaks completely fluent native Mandarin. You really need that. Even better if the factory owner is her uncle. Then it's family stuff and it would be shameful for them not to deliver as promised. That's your real guarantee.
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November 10th, 2017 9:43am
NPR, you don't think we have enough junk from China in the US? Aliexpress or whatever the heck it is...you can buy any junket from them.
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November 10th, 2017 9:44am
My co-worker told me that he order a custom electronic board design for 100 bucks.  You send them the design. They send you a board with all components soldered.
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November 10th, 2017 9:45am
My father-in-law can help, as he's a native speaker and he's also having his stuff manufactured there.
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November 10th, 2017 9:48am
Ohhh, when did you get married? Congrats, bro!
Permalink brah! 
November 10th, 2017 9:50am
There's very good DIY board manufacturing. You send the files, they send the boards. Pay by the square centimeter. Can do just 3 or 10 boards at a time.

If you require part placement of arbitrary parts it's quite different. You need to order larger quantities. If they don't have the part they'll be ordering a spool for their part places, usually minimum quantity 1000. Also some of the parts they use may be counterfeit. If your product catches fire at the consumer's home or can't meet FCC standards, that's a loss for you.

I often come in with our own spools and have them use those. I watch them load the machines so there's no secret swapping. if you're not on site good luck.

If you are doing home hobby quantities, buy boards wherever, buy solder stencils on line, use solder paste, bake in your solder oven. Places like AdaFruit do it that way for their own domestic small quantity prototyping and small quantity product runs.
Permalink Reality Check 
November 10th, 2017 9:50am
About a month ago. This trip was kind of a honeymoon, although we pretty much went wherever her parents sent us.
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November 10th, 2017 9:51am
Not married, she's another employee of our company.
Permalink Reality Check 
November 10th, 2017 9:51am
Oh maybe you meant NPR.
Permalink Reality Check 
November 10th, 2017 9:51am
RC, tell me about your woman...Hmmm, I have never heard about that before.
Permalink brah! 
November 10th, 2017 9:54am
She's not "my woman" she's another employee. The trips are professional. I oversee manufacturing of products where I was the project lead. She's technical but a junior employee and doesn't know all to look for, but serves as my translator, including later telling me frankly what they were saying behind my back and telling her not to tell me.
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November 10th, 2017 11:26am
Hmmm, interesting...did they say you are a stupid fat American who didn't know Kungpao chicken and fortune cookie are not real Chinese food?
Permalink brah! 
November 10th, 2017 11:32am
That's funny... They served sweet and sour chicken at one of the legit restaurants we went to on the tour. Probably made it for me on my account.
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November 10th, 2017 11:38am
Where is your wife's hometown, npr?
Permalink brah! 
November 10th, 2017 11:43am
Shanghai
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November 10th, 2017 11:44am
That is a place that has good food beside Hong Kong!
Permalink brah! 
November 10th, 2017 11:45am
Definitely, but surprisingly the food was good everywhere I went.

I really like Szechuan cuisine but the government wasn't issuing visas to Chengdu because of the recent earthquake.
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November 10th, 2017 11:50am
The most interesting observations about how they eat was that breakfast includes vegetables and sweet potatoes, in addition to "anytime" foods like dumplings and buns.

Also, we had frog in one place, which I've had before, but it is unusual by American standards.
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November 10th, 2017 11:51am
Dumplings and buns sound like Dim sum to me. mmmm, I'm craving for it now.
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November 10th, 2017 12:11pm
I wonder if nice dumplngs is as dangerous a phrase as nice buns now?
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November 10th, 2017 12:27pm

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