That's what she said !

OK, so this seals it

Brexiters = Trump voters:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/12/ireland-may-make-hard-brexit-impossible.html

I thought of this. Did the Leavers think that this would magically solve itself?
Permalink Shylock 
December 5th, 2017 7:03pm
Just leave it a soft border?
Permalink @oddball 
December 5th, 2017 7:26pm
Wasn't the point of Brexit to have a hard boarder?
Permalink Shylock 
December 5th, 2017 7:28pm
Sure, but not with Ireland. Point of brexit seems to be to pound your chest and say "INDEPENDENT" and "FUCK THE ARABS." And keep out dirty refugees and probably smelly eastern europeans too.
Permalink @oddball 
December 5th, 2017 7:38pm
Exactly my point. Indulging hate without thinking through the consequences.
Permalink Shylock 
December 5th, 2017 8:07pm
Assuming they are bigots not idiots, they’ll do an open border with Ireland.
Permalink Q 
December 5th, 2017 10:20pm
Nope.  The problem is May (who Btw is a remainer) trying to be all things to all people.

If Boris or Gove was leader, there'd be no deal, no payment, and a hard border plus WTO. 

If spreadsheet Phil had been leader,  there would be the EEA. 

Either way, everybody knows where they stand,  and no last minute embarrassment when the deal falls apart, because you've double crossed and blind sided your key political ally.
Permalink MobyDobie 
December 6th, 2017 2:01am
If there's a hard border, they lose the 10 votes and then Corbyn moves into 10 Downing (shudder).
Permalink Shylock 
December 6th, 2017 5:33am
In theory, British can travel between NI and mainland UK without an ID.

In practice not so much.

There is no reason to have border controls between NI and Eire.
Permalink Xsw 
December 6th, 2017 5:39am
> If there's a hard border, they lose the 10 votes and then Corbyn moves into 10 Downing 

Nope.

The DUP don't mind a hard border between NI and Ireland.  So they'd accept that.  (Boris/Gove plan)

The DUP don't mind the whole uk staying in the EEA.  They'd accept that. (Hammond plan)

The DUP won't accept NI in the EEA (so soft border with Ireland), and the rest of the UK not in the EEA  (so internal border in UK).  This also pissed off the SNP, since they want Scotland in the EEA.  (May's plan).
Permalink MobyDobie 
December 6th, 2017 6:16am
May's plan is to put NI in the EEA, even though the largest NI party don't want it,  a state Scotland outside the EEA, even though the largest Scottish party do want.  Lunacy.

There's a logic to saying no internal borders in the UK.  And there's a logic to saying some internal borders in the UK. 

But there's no logic to her position.
Permalink MobyDobie 
December 6th, 2017 6:20am
May is totally useless, this is rapidly becoming obvious to everyone, it's only momentum keeping her on.
Permalink Mogg for PM 
December 6th, 2017 6:24am
That, and the fact that if they call new elections, they'd lose.
Permalink Shylock 
December 6th, 2017 7:47am
>The DUP don't mind a hard border between NI and Ireland.  So they'd accept that.  (Boris/Gove plan)

I read the opposite.

Certainly doesn't mean I'm right.
Permalink Shylock 
December 6th, 2017 7:47am
The DUP hates Ireland.  They wouldn't mind if there was the Berlin Wall.
Permalink MobyDobie 
December 6th, 2017 8:23am
comment lifted from one of  The Guardian contributors

This border question sounds like one of those cruel puzzles you give to kids in exams only to realise there is no feasible answer (well, not in this reality anyway);

– GB must have a hard border with Europe

– GB must not have a hard border with Northern Ireland

– Iron must not have a hard border with Republic O’ Ireland and

– Republic of Ireland must not have a hard border with Europe

Explain and show your workings.
RobRoy1975
Permalink tablet trollop 
December 6th, 2017 8:49am
Dig a moat and fill it with face eating jaguars.
Permalink Pie 
December 6th, 2017 9:32am
LOL trollop
Permalink Shylock 
December 6th, 2017 11:10am
Who wants to be my shiksa?
Permalink Shylock 
December 7th, 2017 9:58pm

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