Trump is a businessman and this move is just to ensure that he gains favor from the powerful pro-Israel financier, businessmen, etc.
For the same reason that the Palestinians not recognizing Israel is seen as a big deal. It lends legitimacy to the idea that they are not an occupying force.
From a left wing Israeli:
Talk about all out nuclear was with North Korea and nobody cares.
Talk about moving an office from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and everybody loses their minds.
Agree that Jerusalem is Israel's capital. An embassy doesn't have to be in a capital city, but it usually is.
Also agree that the "international community" doesn't recognize it as the capital. That seems to be their problem though since it's not up to them.
Just as SJWs reeeeee at the slightest provocation, Muslims do terrorism and bloodletting at the slightest provocation.
Therefore there will be many terrorist attacks against Israel and the US in response to this move, citing this move as the justification, and issuing demands that US and Israel move out of Jerusalem, which won't happen. However the attacks against the US that will follow the move will dramatically increase US attacks against randomly selected muslim targets worldwide.
Pals are fucked within their prison farms, yo. Trump's just getting in before the rush that will happen once the anschluss is completed and Israel runs uninterrupted from the river to the sea, ruled from Jerusalem.
Israel is actually correct and deserves Jerusalem to be recognized.
Acknowledging that Jerusalem is legitimately part of Israel is the same as acknowledging that Crimea is legitimately part of Russia. The principle involved is "might makes right" and "there ain't no justice".
Unless you're one of those unethical/amoral clowns who goes "it is only OK when *my* guy does it".
>Crimea is legitimately part of Russia
Quite correct, yes it is.
>Unless you're one of those unethical/amoral clowns who goes "it is only OK when *my* guy does it".
So, could you answer my question above. Was it OK when Jordan did exactly that? And to boot, either murdered or expelled every single Jew who lived there?
>Israel is actually correct and deserves Jerusalem to be recognized.
OMG! I'm actually agreeing with Ruseman here. Which shows how fucked up the Left is.
Hey Trollop, plan any demonstrations to liberate occupied Danzig? Or how about Alta California, where the indigenous Mexican populations where ethnically cleansed and are kept behind walls and barbed wire?
And recognise the Krim being Russian while you are at it.
December 6th, 2017 10:14am
Who are who?
December 6th, 2017 11:05am
December 6th, 2017 11:18am
> OMG! I'm actually agreeing with Ruseman here. Which shows how fucked up the Left is.
It doesn’t show that. It shows that you would abandon any moral principle to help Jews.
For one he gives away a huge piece of the peace deal for free
It’s like if we established a Palestinian state without stopping payments to suicide bombers. Reduced incentives for Israel to negotiate means reduced probability of peace
. <-- how much I care
December 6th, 2017 1:51pm
I don't blame you xampl. Other people's blood feuds are boring.
If so, I don't see any reason for the US to side with Israel. Drop all these motherfucks like yesterday.
Because the Arab nations have been so peaceful and helpful to America?
Well, they haven't. I think that's the reason that a stable Democracy in the middle of the Middle-East seems so valuable. Most of the time.
"So, could you answer my question above. Was it OK when Jordan did exactly that? And to boot, either murdered or expelled every single Jew who lived there?"
Regardless of the answer, why are you more concerned with an occupation that happened 70 years ago than an occupation that is ongoing?
Trump's motives are completely naive. But hey, kicking off a long-simmering frustration, that was never going to be resolved, into a full-blown war, does have a way of clarifying positions.
I mean, the Palestinians have had FIFTY YEARS to get used to the idea that the Israeli's took over East Jerusalem in the 1967 war. And negotiate honestly with Israel about it. And they haven't done that.
That's no justification for starting a war over it, of course, but Trump in his "Bull in a China Shop" mode doesn't care about such concerns.
"Because the Arab nations have been so peaceful and helpful to America? "
Look at those Arabs with all their oil on display! They were basically *asking* for a handsome young country to come along and rape them.
No idea why they're so messed up in the head, why do you ask?
"I mean, the Palestinians have had FIFTY YEARS to get used to the idea that the Israeli's took over East Jerusalem in the 1967 war. And negotiate honestly with Israel about it."
What exactly do they have to negotiate? Almost every single Palestinian settlement in the west bank is surrounded by settlers and soldiers and they're slowly squeezing even more land out.
Their only two bargaining chips are the threat of violence and the outside world feeling sorry for them, which usually only happens when the outside world is reminded of their existence, which only happens when they are violent.
>Regardless of the answer, why are you more concerned with an occupation that happened 70 years ago than an occupation that is ongoing?
Because that would mean that there's a double standard.
Because if it's OK for the Hashemite regime to "occupy" Judea and Samaria, it should be OK for Israel to "occupy" it as well.
>If so, I don't see any reason for the US to side with Israel. Drop all these motherfucks like yesterday.
Well, we in the US get a tremendous amount of things from Israel, and all we get from the entire Arab world is oil. Which they can't not sell us because they literally have nothing else to sell. Which we don't need anymore. Which we would be better off not using at all.
>Trump's motives are completely naive.
Trump's motives were to change the subject. But doing the right thing for the wrong reasons is still doing the right thing.
> Well, we in the US get a tremendous amount of things from Israel,
Name 3. Oil is pretty fucking important as you would instantly claim if the Jews had a drop.
This just in... Pope Francis has denounced Israel and the US, declaring that Jerusalem is NOT the capital of Israel, presuming that Israel is even a legitimate state in the first place, which the (Nazi collaborating) Vatican state isn't so sure about.
Anyone remember Revelation 17? It describes the Whore of Babylon, who colludes with the empires of earth to do evil and is represented by seven hills, and is a city - so this obviously refers to the seven hills of Rome and the Vatican.
Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, ‘Come, I will show you the judgement of the great whore who is seated on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and with the wine of whose fornication the inhabitants of the earth have become drunk.’ So he carried me away in the spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her fornication; and on her forehead was written a name, a mystery: ‘Babylon the great, mother of whores and of earth’s abominations.’ And I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of the witnesses to Jesus.
When I saw her, I was greatly amazed. But the angel said to me, ‘Why are you so amazed? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast with seven heads and ten horns that carries her. The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to ascend from the bottomless pit and go to destruction. And the inhabitants of the earth, whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will be amazed when they see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come.
‘This calls for a mind that has wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; also, they are seven kings, of whom five have fallen, one is living, and the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain for only a little while. As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction. And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast. These are united in yielding their power and authority to the beast; they will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful.’
And he said to me, ‘The waters that you saw, where the whore is seated, are peoples and multitudes and nations and languages. And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the whore; they will make her desolate and naked; they will devour her flesh and burn her up with fire. For God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by agreeing to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled. The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.’
The whore of Babylon hates Israel and destroys Jerusalem...
Catholicism is the one religion more hateful and violent than islam...
“Jerusalem has always been the most delicate issue in every discussion about peace,” said Rabbi Rick Jacobs, president of the Union for Reform Judaism, the largest branch of American Judaism. “So we’re very concerned that the announcement will either delay or undermine the very, very important resuming of a serious peace process.”
What serious peace process? Sounds like a crock of shit.
Since when does the UN or any other nation have ANY authority whatsoever to tell a sovereign nation where their capital is or isn't? Israel has signed to treaty delegating that authority to the UN or anyone else.
Vanuatu, Taiwan and the US recognize Jerusalem as the capital.
In the US the US Congress has passed multiple acts and resolutions acknowledging Jerusalem as the capital and even ordering that the US move the embassy there.
However, the claim has been made for years that only the President has the authority to recognize any other country's territory and that it is simply not up to Congress or the courts at all.
Trump's doing the stated will of Congress and the people, and he is recognized as the sole authority who is able to do so legally in this case.
"Union for Reform Judaism, the largest branch of American Judaism"
Crock of shit. Reform eats pork! And does whatever the fuck they want! And doesn't recognize matrilineal descent!
People claiming to be Jews because of membership in a Reform temple are on very shaky ground to claim to be jews at all.
6 million Jews in Israel.
6 million Jews in US.
3 million Jews in other countries.
Reform claims 1.8 million Jews globally, which they state includes 1 million actual members, and 800k "unaffiliated individuals" who they think would identify as reform if they only knew about it. So that's 1 million actually, the rest are imaginary.
Reform claims that 38% of Jews in the US are reform and therefore they are the largest group in the US.
Let's see. They have 1 million Reform Jews worldwide. And 6 million Jews of any kind in the US.
If all the Reform Jews are in the US, then that's 1/6 = 18% Reform. But we know not all Reform Jews are in the US, so it's less than 18%.
Reform's claims about being the largest jewish sect are absurd.
Also, tons of "Jews" that attend Reform temples do NOT have Jewish mothers and have NOT undergone a process of conversion. They are NOT jews.
What you are saying here is very interesting. It reminds me a lot of Elizabeth Warren's claims she is Cherokee.
There are three federally recognized Cherokee tribes. They are the Cherokee Tribe of Oklahoma, the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians, and the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians.
Elizabeth Warren agrees that she is not a citizen of the Cherokee Tribe of Oklahoma.
Elizabeth Warren also agrees that she is not a citizen of the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians.
Elizabeth Warren also agrees that she is not a citizen of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians.
When asked if her father is a Cherokee citizen, Elizabeth Warren admits, no, her father is not a Cherokee citizen.
When asked if her mother is a Cherokee citizen, Elizabeth Warren admits, no, her mother is not a Cherokee citizen.
Yet Elizabeth Warren is Cherokee.
This sounds very similar to this thing you mention Reform Judaism. The Jews are also a tribe. But you say some members of this Reform thing do not have parents who are members of the tribe, and they also have not gone through a process of joining the tribe and been accepted. So how is it that they are members of the tribe as they claim?
Clearly something similar to what Elizabeth Warren is saying.
> What serious peace process? Sounds like a crock of shit.
Umm, need I remind you, Senior White House Advisor Jared Kushner is on it?
If you actually knew anything about Oklahoma you'd know that there are tons of "white" Indians there. Not that Warren actually claims to be Indian, just to have some Indian ancestors. Which is super common among all Americans especially so in Oklahoma.
Wow. Another day, another time I'm agreeing with RC.
This looked interesting, if you're interested in the racial dynamics of the Cherokee Nation:
This is also pretty illustrative:
This is pretty cool X:
> We found a way to thwart the glial cells from attacking and killing healthy brain cells,” Lichtenstein said.
Meanwhile are the Saudis making progress with their plan to maybe let women drive?
After seeing Syriana you'll never feel the same way about trimming your nails ever again.
Kinda like Marathon Man and dentists...
...is it safe?