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If you're going to be a whore

Can't you find someone better to be a whore for than Eric Sink? I mean seriously, the dude's publicity photo on his site looks like he just got out of (or into) rehab. Or it did last I looked, which was a year ago or more.

http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.292213.9

I HAVEN'T EVEN USED THIS PRODUCT AT ALL BUT I LOVE IT SO MUCH I JUST CAME ON MY KEYBOARD WOOOOOOO!!
Permalink Generic Error 
January 17th, 2006
There are plenty of things you can do in a version control system, other than checking in/out that can give you a good feeling about a software product. Maybe he was SETTING IT UP.
Permalink Pseudo Masochist 
January 17th, 2006
OH MY GOD I JUST SET UP THIS TENT IN MY PANTS AND ALREADY IT'S FAR SUPERIOR THAN ANY COLEMAN PRODUCT I HAVE EVER PITCHED.
Permalink Generic Error 
January 17th, 2006
Something that has confused me with Eric Sink was he seems to be a founder in a company that makes several million a year, yet rose to fame in his attempts to create a shareware solitare package? Is he not getting a fair cut of the company or something? Why try to make a piddly little microISV when you have an already sucessful company?
Permalink Phil 
January 17th, 2006
OK then.
Permalink Pseudo Masochist 
January 17th, 2006
It was to provide material for a series of articles he was writing about one man software companies. The articles were a success, the software not so much...
Permalink a cynic writes... 
January 17th, 2006
Mark Warner needs medication. Mark Warner, go home. You need a break. Go retire.
Permalink boom 
January 17th, 2006
Yeah that thread was...odd. I suspect that the OP had some anger issues with VSS (e.g. a corrupt database, or maybe VSS had an affair with his girlfriend), so Vault came in like the saviour, giving an opportunity to stick it to VSS.
Permalink Dennis Forbes 
January 17th, 2006
>I suspect that the OP had some anger issues with VSS
To get those sorts of issues, all one has to do is *use* it.
Permalink Peter 
January 17th, 2006
"To get those sorts of issues, all one has to do is *use* it."

VSS really isn't that bad. It's not great, and it most certainly is a back-runner in the SCM race, however it functions adequately for many teams. "Using it" for most teams is largely transparent, via Visual Studio integration, and now SQL Server integration.
Permalink Dennis Forbes 
January 17th, 2006
VSS is fine if you have a rock solid local LAN and infrastructure. Since VSS is not client/server -- each client touches the data store directly -- it is possible to hopelessly corrupt the data store with only one bad LAN card or one bad switch.

Don't even think about using VSS remotely...
Permalink O Canader 
January 17th, 2006
I'm not expressing an opinion on Sink's software one way or another (although the wood panelled cards in his Solitaire app were retarded), but I do think you should probably USE the software before posting a gushing, jizz-filled review of it.
Permalink Generic Error 
January 17th, 2006
"VSS is fine if you have a rock solid local LAN and infrastructure. Since VSS is not client/server -- each client touches the data store directly -- it is possible to hopelessly corrupt the data store with only one bad LAN card or one bad switch."

Not to mention that the security of VSS is a bit of a joke - if you've given someone share or file permissions to the VSS database, then basically the security is client enforced, which means that it's laughable to circumvent.

"Don't even think about using VSS remotely..."

http://www.yafla.com/dforbes/categories/softwareDevelopment/2005/11/24.html#a195
Permalink Dennis Forbes 
January 17th, 2006
"but I do think you should probably USE the software before posting a gushing, jizz-filled review of it"

No doubt. The devil is always in the details, and there are usually killer problems that make a seemingly great product a dud. It seems very newbian to immediately proclaim the greatness of a product while admitting to not having used it for real.
Permalink Dennis Forbes 
January 17th, 2006
Nubian? Racist!
Permalink Generic Error 
January 17th, 2006
Interesting, we are still using VS.Net 2003 so I did not realize that there was an update. Does the stand alone client also support the web service or do I have to use the IDE integration? Is it backwards compatible with vs.net 2003?
Permalink O Canader 
January 17th, 2006
"Don't even think about using VSS remotely..."

IMHO anyone who wants to use VSS remotely and gets past the "first, share a folder on the server..." stage deserves what they get. I can't believe it took until 2004 to actually implement proper client/server setup on the damn thing. (I think - it does it now, right? I don't touch it)

But hey, since it comes in the box with so many things it's effectively free, and that's all that matters, right? [g,d,r]

Philo [MSFT]
Permalink Philo 
January 18th, 2006
So you use subversion then, right Philo? ;-)
Permalink Colm 
January 18th, 2006
I used CVS on my last job. In sales land I really don't use source control.

Philo
Permalink Philo 
January 18th, 2006
Philo:

Remotely on a 3 Megabit/sec connection. Hell, I used in 7 or 9 years ago on 4 Mbit token ring and after than on a 10 Mbit LAN for years.

Of course the 3 Mbit connection is down only, its more like 800K up which kills sourcesafe...

I'm going to have to investigate VSS 2005.
Permalink O Canader 
January 18th, 2006

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