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Instead of picking at/on . I decided a better use of my time was to explore some issues his threads bring up.

Both of .'s recent threads illustrate something I realized years ago when working in the corporate world and later as a freelancer. This is a general principle:

When you feel that you must or are compelled to devote a lot of mental energy to what peers or your boss are doing/not doing/planning...

The job is *always* shit and you should GTFO.

Always always always always. You're being misutilized, and actually you're being placed in a victim role.

The happiest and most productive I've been OTJ has been when I've had the absolute luxury of devoting all of my attention to a technical or other task at hand and completing it. And having no thought at all of any politics or irritations swirling around me. My bosses/clients have always been the happiest (relatively) with my work product under those circumstances.

The biggest fail of the type of workplaces that Millennials have created is the hyper-socialized, social media driven clusterfuck where everyone is intensely aware of everyone else's opinions, beliefs (even retard left wing ideological beliefs), work output or lack thereof, or architecture astronautting.
Permalink Bored Bystander 
January 9th, 2018 11:05am
True dat.

And the best managers protect you from all that shit too.
Permalink Zaq 
January 9th, 2018 11:13am
> When you feel that you must or are compelled to devote a lot of mental energy to what peers or your boss are doing/not doing/planning...

> The job is *always* shit and you should GTFO.

This x 1000

I am resigned to the fact that the environment is never going to change.  No matter how much good work I do, no matter how much I hope or wish that it will change, it's not going to happen.  It was dysfunctional from the very beginning, got better for awhile (thanks to a previous boss), and getting worse again.

For what it's worth, I've been sending out resumes.

> Always always always always. You're being misutilized, and actually you're being placed in a victim role.

You hit the hammer on the nail.  The job drains my energy and I have wasted too many years there for "job security" (which is a myth anyway).

> The happiest and most productive I've been OTJ has been when I've had the absolute luxury of devoting all of my attention to a technical or other task at hand and completing it. And having no thought at all of any politics or irritations swirling around me. My bosses/clients have always been the happiest (relatively) with my work product under those circumstances.

THIS

> The biggest fail of the type of workplaces that Millennials have created is the hyper-socialized, social media driven clusterfuck where everyone is intensely aware of everyone else's opinions, beliefs (even retard left wing ideological beliefs), work output or lack thereof, or architecture astronautting.

This new guy was already shoving his views down my throat the first day I met him.  I am non-political so I was not offended but those topics should not be discussed at work IMO.
Permalink . 
January 9th, 2018 11:45am
> And the best managers protect you from all that shit too.

We once had a manager like that.  He left.
Permalink . 
January 9th, 2018 11:47am
I completely agree; I've never had to deal with this sort of shit but even in a single organization you have different departments/offices/etc that are more political and bullshit than others.  I don't play that game.

Although I think the ridiculous generation-baiting is way off point.  This has nothing to do with "Millennials" -- fucking middle-aged people are just as bad for this shit as anyone.
Permalink Send private email Almost Anonymous 
January 9th, 2018 11:49am
> I am resigned to the fact that the environment is never going to change.  No matter how much good work I do, no matter how much I hope or wish that it will change, it's not going to happen.

Yup.  Change happens from above; no matter how hard you work unless you're moving up in the company you're not going to have a cultural impact.

> For what it's worth, I've been sending out resumes.

Good!

> The job drains my energy and I have wasted too many years there for "job security" (which is a myth anyway).

Life is too short.

> I am non-political so I was not offended but those topics should not be discussed at work IMO.

In my opinion talking with co-workers should be fun/enjoyable or what's the point.  Nobody wants to be lectured about anything.  Fuck that shit.
Permalink Send private email Almost Anonymous 
January 9th, 2018 11:51am
> Yup.  Change happens from above; no matter how hard you work unless you're moving up in the company you're not going to have a cultural impact.

+1
Not even my boss can change things.  Just about every boss that I've had has been miserable.  My current boss is looking for a new gig after just over a year in that position.   

> Life is too short.

Yep.  I find that I am happier, more optimistic, and have more energy when I have MORE THAN two days off in a row. 

> In my opinion talking with co-workers should be fun/enjoyable or what's the point.  Nobody wants to be lectured about anything.  Fuck that shit.

Exactly.
Permalink . 
January 9th, 2018 12:04pm
I think it's more than just the organisation, you have to be prepared to stand up to some of this shit.

To do that you need to be financially secure, well enough off that you can tell your boss to fuck off when they give you grief. Most of the time you don't need to because they can sense it just as they can sense somebody is dependent on them to pay the rent this week.

I see so many people who are miserable because they can't manager their finances, it's a downward spiral for them that infects every part of their lives.
Permalink libtard_uk 
January 9th, 2018 1:34pm
>> When you feel that you must or are compelled to devote a lot of mental energy to what peers or your boss are doing/not doing/planning...

>> The job is *always* shit and you should GTFO.

BB you're mostly right but in a recent discussion with high network individuals it was revealed to me inadvertently what I already know from posts such as Michael O Church. There are no greener pastures and if you find one where you aren't milked to the death while giving no food (for mind, of course ;) apart from one empty straw a day and obviously don't even dream about time / space to forage... well if you're at least not milked to the death you should stick to it.

And build your escape because that life is going to kill you anyways (slower than full speed exploitation but nevertheless).

Me, at $60k per year after starting at $2400, this is not my dream job. Is the nightmare I knew long ago I'm in and just recently started to carry a glimpse of hope I may survive it if I play it right.
Permalink Io 
January 9th, 2018 2:22pm
s/while giving/while given.

Although...
Permalink Io 
January 9th, 2018 2:23pm
>> This x 1000

>> I am resigned to the fact that the environment is never going to change.  No matter how much good work I do, no matter how much I hope or wish that it will change, it's not going to happen.  It was dysfunctional from the very beginning, got better for awhile (thanks to a previous boss), and getting worse again.

>> For what it's worth, I've been sending out resumes.

Get used to the real world. One where perhaps, working in an Eastern Europe facility for 1000,000,000 that much may seem like a dream job (1e9 * or /, give or take).
Permalink Io 
January 9th, 2018 2:30pm
>> The biggest fail of the type of workplaces that Millennials have created is the hyper-socialized, social media driven clusterfuck where everyone is intensely aware of everyone else's opinions, beliefs (even retard left wing ideological beliefs), work output or lack thereof, or architecture astronautting.

In the dark and forgotten ages it was common for scholars to:

1) Work alone for months if not years at a time. Think being deployed not on Mars but a planet 10 light years away.

A letter every year is more than you can pray for.

2) Thrive in that environment.

How to do #2 is a Millenial question worth a Millenium of $$$ who most likely is not going to be answered by the ratardsocialfuck Millenials.
Permalink Io 
January 9th, 2018 2:34pm
>> There are no greener pastures


This is not true.  Some jobs suck more than others. Some people are great to work with, some are assholes.
Permalink Legion 
January 9th, 2018 4:46pm
Legion,

How's the job market in AZ?
Permalink AlFranken 
January 9th, 2018 4:48pm
Hot!
Permalink Legion 
January 9th, 2018 4:51pm
There you go. Dot can pick up and move to AZ. His jobs search should start at that state.
Permalink AlFranken 
January 9th, 2018 5:06pm
> I think it's more than just the organisation, you have to be prepared to stand up to some of this shit.

Change in organization is literally just people standing up against some shit. 

> To do that you need to be financially secure, well enough off that you can tell your boss to fuck off when they give you grief.

Yup.  So many people literally fear management all the way up to the top -- I don't.  It's both not in my personality and I have nothing to fear.
Permalink Send private email Almost Anonymous 
January 9th, 2018 8:51pm
Some jobs do suck a lot more than others.

I'm getting better at reading situations.  However, for most of the jobs I've applied to in my last few job searches, it was obviously a dump.

Most jobs do suck, but you only have to find one non-sucky job.

It helps to live in a big city (NYC for me).  If you live in nowhere, you can get stuck if there's only a handful of local large employers.  Small businesses are, in my experience, much more likely to be dumps, because the software salary will be one of the biggest items on their payroll.
Permalink FSK 
January 9th, 2018 9:11pm
I've worked for two very small companies. 

The good: I really mattered to the company.  At one I picked up a huge raise (29%) when I went there.

The bad: Benefits were not as good. It is hard to work with the same small group day after day. If you want to be mad at one of them you have to keep on seeing them every day.


Small companies can be really nice to work for.  But I prefer medium sized companies (500 total employees or so).
Permalink Legion 
January 9th, 2018 11:09pm
> I think it's more than just the organisation, you have to be prepared to stand up to some of this shit.


Need to be prepared to walk though.  They could very well back down.  Or they can work on getting rid of you (immediately or over the long term).
Permalink . 
January 10th, 2018 12:12am
> Yup.  So many people literally fear management all the way up to the top -- I don't.  It's both not in my personality and I have nothing to fear.

That is true!  As pathetic as some here think I am, I've seen people at work that are worse.  They get bent out of shape over a simple request from someone higher up.  It could be a non-urgent request that is no big deal and they frantically try to get it done right away, even if it inconveniences and burdens others.
Permalink . 
January 10th, 2018 12:14am
> There are no greener pastures

I would not say there are no greener pastures....but they are difficult to find.  The last job search stint I was on led to a few offers that were not worth taking.
Permalink . 
January 10th, 2018 12:15am
> It helps to live in a big city (NYC for me).  If you live in nowhere, you can get stuck if there's only a handful of local large employers. 

+1
Permalink . 
January 10th, 2018 12:16am
A funny thing happened today.

My old director left the company years ago and came back a year or so to work for corporate.  He's now a couple of pay grades above my current director.

I saw him for the first time in years as my current director took him and another guy on a tour of our facility.  We shook hands and he had good things to say about me and my work.  My current director said that as well that even though he very rarely gives out praise.

I will admit that felt pretty good as my morale was getting kinda low.  I don't think that will impact my decision to GTFO though.
Permalink . 
January 10th, 2018 12:32am

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