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Scott Adams should be an honorary CoT mod

From the Table of Contents.

1 Views on science and history

    1.1 Adams knows The Secret
    1.2 Borderline Holocaust denialism
    1.3 Struggling to understand evolution
    1.4 Advocating Pascal's Wager
    1.5 "Science kicked me in the balls!"
    1.6 Global warming

2 Views on women and sexuality

    2.1 Women's work, brains, and opinions
    2.2 Male sexuality and consent
    2.3 Hillary kicked men in the balls

3 Online sockpuppetry
4 Views on SJWs
Permalink Wabi-sabi 
January 11th, 2018 10:49am
He is the Leader of the Stupid Assholes after all.
Permalink Shylock's Phone 
January 11th, 2018 10:51am
"JAQing off" from TFA, is pretty good
Permalink Wabi-sabi 
January 11th, 2018 10:57am
>Adams knows The Secret

Adams has an estimated net worth of $75 million.

He attributes some of his success to 'The Secret', which is writing down/visualising your aspirations every morning.

This is a widely used technique.

Many Olympic athletes practise similar techniques.

Whenever I've got around to doing it, it has worked for me.

This is not his only suggestion.

I don't see a problem.
Permalink Zaq 
January 11th, 2018 11:25am
Sure, lots of self-help writers talk about it too.

Like Steve Pavlina

It's still tantamount to a religious ritual

It's not unlike saying FAITH IN JESUS is responsible for my success.  Which is, you know, whatever.

It tells you exactly the flavor of self-professed rationalism Scott Adams follows though.
Permalink Wabi-sabi 
January 11th, 2018 11:30am
>Borderline Holocaust denialism

Questioning the origin of the figures is not denialism.

The figure for non-Jews of 5 million has been largely discredited, being just a number Simon Wiesenthal just made up.

He couldn't use a number equal or greater than the number of Jews killed because that would have been ridiculed.

He wanted to maximise the impact of the Holocaust to non-Jews.

The real figure, according to Holocaust historians Yehuda Bauer and Deborah Lipstadt, is more on the order of 500,000 non-Jews murdered, certainly not a small number by any measurement, but not 5 million
Permalink Zaq 
January 11th, 2018 11:31am
From TFA


In a 2006 blog post[7] (which has since been deleted), Adams flirted with Holocaust denialism, questioning whether estimates of the number of people killed during the Holocaust are reliable:

    I’d also like to know how the Holocaust death total of 6 million was determined. Is it the sort of number that is so well documented with actual names and perhaps a Nazi paper trail that no historian could doubt its accuracy, give or take ten thousand? Or is it like every other LRN (large round number) that someone pulled out of his ass and it became true by repetition? Does the figure include resistance fighters and civilians who died in the normal course of war, or just the Jews rounded up and killed systematically? No reasonable person doubts that the Holocaust happened, but wouldn’t you like to know how the exact number was calculated, just for context? Without that context, I don’t know if I should lump the people who think the Holocaust might have been exaggerated for political purposes with the Holocaust deniers. If they are equally nuts, I’d like to know that. I want context.[8]

If he actually wanted to know where the figures come from, he could have looked on Wikipedia[9] or used his Internet skills to Google it[10] or even asked somebody, but posting in a blog is an odd way to find an authoritative source for any fact, and smacks of JAQing off.
Permalink Wabi-sabi 
January 11th, 2018 11:33am
Yes, I read that.

Adams is questioning the sources of the figures.

Wikipedia does not answer that, it just points to a few researchers.

The numbers look reasonable, but that's not the point he's making.
Permalink Zaq 
January 11th, 2018 11:38am
Also the 'RationalWiki' is still quoting the discredited total killed in the holocaust.

Politically, RationalWiki is extremely left-wing.
Permalink Zaq 
January 11th, 2018 11:42am
What difference does it make? The bottom line is too many people died in ww2. The Soviet had 20 millions death.
Permalink AlFranken 
January 11th, 2018 11:43am
If he really wanted the answers, they are easy enough to find. And he certainly has enough money to hire someone to do an exhaustive research if he really really really wanted to know.
Permalink Shylock's Phone 
January 11th, 2018 11:43am
When a 'definitive source' like Simon Wiesenthal is totally discredited in his claim that 5 million non-Jews died in the Holocaust it has the unfortunate effect of making some people start to question the claim that 6 million Jews died.

That is a bad thing.

Saying 'oh it doesn't matter, 500,000 is just as bad as 5 million' is a pretty stupid thing to say.
Permalink Zaq 
January 11th, 2018 11:45am
See, Scott Adams is perfect for this place.
Permalink Wabi-sabi 
January 11th, 2018 11:56am
>they are easy enough to find

Citation needed
Permalink Zaq 
January 11th, 2018 12:10pm
Well played!
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
January 11th, 2018 12:10pm
So the rational wiki link says that Scott Adams can find all he wants to know about how numbers were calculated at the following link.

> Using the most restrictive definition of the Holocaust produces a death toll of around six million Jews, the figure cited by Adolf Eichmann, one of the Holocaust's architects.[387][388] The broadest definition would raise the death toll to 17 million.[4] A research project started in 2000, led by Geoffrey Megargee and Martin Dean for the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, estimated in 2013 that 15–20 million people had died or been imprisoned in the sites they have identified to date.

So, the most current number is about 20 million Jews were killed, not 6 million, which was the famous number Eichmann  gave at the Nuremberg trials as an off the cuff estimate.
Permalink Reality Check 
January 11th, 2018 5:29pm
The article also says that there was a maximum of 9.7 million Jews in all of Europe at the beginning of the war.
Permalink Reality Check 
January 11th, 2018 5:30pm
I never heard about this before:

> German planners in November 1939 called for "the complete destruction" of all Poles.[425] Poland under German occupation was to be cleared of Poles and settled by German colonists.[426] The Polish political leadership and other leaders were the targets of an organized campaign of murder.[427] But German planners decided against a genocide of ethnic Poles on the same scale as against Jews, at least in the short term.[428]

> Between 1.8 and 1.9 million non-Jewish Polish citizens perished at German hands during the course of the war, about four-fifths of whom were ethnic Poles with the rest ethnic Ukrainians and Belarusians.[382] At least 200,000 of these victims died in concentration camps with around 146,000 killed in Auschwitz. Many others died as a result of general massacres or uprisings such as the Warsaw Uprising, where between 120,000 and 200,000 civilians were killed.[429]

The Germans wanted to exterminate all Poles, but the Poles collaborated with the Germans to kill their mutual enemy, the Jews? Is that it?
Permalink Reality Check 
January 11th, 2018 5:33pm
Pretty much.
Permalink Shylock 
January 11th, 2018 6:34pm
It's like this scene in The Dark Knight where the joker has a bunch of guys in clown masks rob a bank.

After the robbery succeeds, A doublecrosses and kills B, B doublecrosses and kills A, C doublecrosses and kills B, and D doublecrosses and kills C. Then D, the primary trusted partner, meets up with the Joker who is going to split the winnings with him, and of course, the Joker then kills D.
Permalink Reality Check 
January 11th, 2018 6:43pm
If there was a maximum of 9.7 million Jews in all of Europe

How could they have killed 20 million?
Permalink Rafael Sabatini 
January 12th, 2018 10:17am
They didn't, it was 6 million.

20 million RUSSIANS died in WW-II.

Do keep up, 007.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
January 12th, 2018 10:19am
the most current number is about 20 million Jews were killed, not 6 million

Reality Check

January 11th, 2018 10:29pm
Permalink Rafael Sabatini 
January 12th, 2018 10:27am
So where did HE get his number?
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
January 12th, 2018 11:14am
OMG. Read the fucking thread dumbass.

Wabi posted a rational wiki article accusing Scott Adams of being a holocaust denier. Their argument is that Adams once asked how the numbers of dead were calculated. Rational wiki then says if he wanted to know he could have looked on wikipedia, and they give a link. If you follow that link it says 6 million is the low number, given by a Nazi, and other numbers are 17 and 20 million.
Permalink Reality Check 
January 12th, 2018 1:36pm
As far as where those come from, the sources are a NYT article which says that they now believe there were tens of thousands of "death camps" not just hundreds, and as an example, they give a small dozen person death camp which was a private house where a woman had a dozen camp people who came to clean her house and make toys for her children.

There's also a reference to a book for the 17 million number, but that book costs money so I can't check where they got the number.

Since the numbers are more than twice as many as all jews in all of europe at the time it's obvious all these sources are either being misstated/misrepresented by wikipedia, which rational-wiki cites as authoritative, or is just total bullshit.
Permalink Reality Check 
January 12th, 2018 1:40pm
The Nazis were sadistic murdering motherfuckers.

However that does not mean that every single claim about the holocaust is true.

There's a whole industry over this.

The NYT article points out that a lot of holocaust insurance claims have been denied because the people mentioned info that was inconsistent with known historical facts and were considered scam artists trying to cash in on the holocaust. But now that there are 20 million jewish victims in death camps as small as 12 people making toys at a private home, the NYT article points out that these insurance claims can be reopened.

So lying about deaths gets you money.
Permalink Reality Check 
January 12th, 2018 1:42pm
Jews involved in a money scam?

What a surprise!
Permalink Heinrich Himmler 
January 12th, 2018 1:46pm

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