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“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” Trump said, according to these people, referring to African countries and Haiti. He then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries like Norway, whose prime minister he met Wednesday
Permalink vbnn 
January 11th, 2018 6:44pm
And he's completely right of course. It doesn't make any sense to allow immigration of people with no education, who are afflicted with diseases that are costly to treat like HIV, who don't speak english, and who have no marketable job skills. It makes absolutely no sense at all to do that. Not only that but other countries don't allow that sort of immigration. If I apply to emigrate to New Zealand, they want to see that I speak English fluently and have a degree from a fully accredited university and years of experience in a highly marketable skill which is in demand and on a small list of needed skills.
Permalink Reality Check 
January 11th, 2018 6:53pm
He really said that? Oh what a classy President you have. Shit hole countries have a birth rate greater than replacement.
Permalink Tristan 
January 11th, 2018 6:53pm
I use the exact same term to refer to these countries, so does everyone else. It's the standard term for most of the third world.
Permalink Reality Check 
January 11th, 2018 6:57pm
Fuck those worthless countries
Permalink Ruseman 
January 11th, 2018 7:05pm
And I'm not the only one.

http://www.crazyontap.com/topic.php?TopicId=127997

> My wife lived through a dictatorship.  Today she finds it odd how many Americans want to go visit shit-hole countries thinking they can "save them".  Americans have no idea how cushy they have it.  I guess that is why they won't fix their own shit at home. - .

http://crazyontap.com/topic.php?TopicId=19258

> If you're poor in some 3rd world shit hole, you'll go where-ever better you can get into. - s

http://www.crazyontap.com/topic.php?TopicId=306609

> India is completely backwards and is little more than a third-world shithole. - Somebody

So that's the standard use. And then of course there's also this sort of thing:

http://www.crazyontap.com/topic.php?TopicId=303189

> His big mistake was to even consider going to the biggest shithole in the world! Fuck USA. - Shylock

http://www.crazyontap.com/topic.php?TopicId=216932

> Only impoverished people who live in countries worse than the US MIGHT consider moving to a shithole called America.
- Moshe van koskesh (Shylock)

We also have for variation:

http://www.crazyontap.com/topic.php?TopicId=331070

> Silicon Valley is a shithole, Detroit was a shithole, most refinery and factory towns are shitholes. Most high tech belts are high cost shitholes. - Bored Bystander

And in a sort of rebuttal to what Trump said he wants instead, there's this:

http://www.crazyontap.com/topic.php?TopicId=94351

> more about why Norway is a fascist shithole - Weevil
Permalink Reality Check 
January 11th, 2018 7:06pm
So everywhere is a shit hole.
Permalink Tristan 
January 11th, 2018 7:12pm
It is such a lovely world view.
Permalink Lotti Fuehrscheim 
January 11th, 2018 7:39pm
You won't find any half full glasses here, Lotti.
Permalink Tristan 
January 11th, 2018 7:47pm
Moshe van koskesh was Horrorwitz, not me.

FWIW.
Permalink Shylock 
January 11th, 2018 8:30pm
> You won't find any half full glasses here, Lotti.

Half full of anthrax spores, but that's a CoT thing.
Permalink Bored Bystander 
January 11th, 2018 8:51pm
You wanna see a shithole in America watch that documentary Scrappers.  It follows these two meth heads who live in a miserable podunk town near a valley that the US military actively uses for target practice.  They pick through wreckage hoping to find metal and unexploded munitions they can sell, praying they don't get blown to pieces by stepping on the wrong thing or being there at the wrong time.
Permalink Wabi-sabi 
January 11th, 2018 9:04pm
Reality Check, thanks for the reality check with the brilliant summary of relevant posting histories.

This one is golden.

> His big mistake was to even consider going to the biggest shithole in the world!

> Fuck USA.
> Permalink Shylock

He hates the country. It's so clear now.

I've tried to be less triggered in past months when pious Jewey hypocrite asshole Shylock derides the people of the interior of the country. This puts his bloviations totally in perspective. He hates the US, plain and simple.
Permalink Bored Bystander 
January 11th, 2018 9:09pm
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SmyoTCF0LMc

Trailer for the film.  It's actually called Scrapper, without the s.

I watched it when I was home sick with the flu a few years ago, which greatly enhanced the horror.
Permalink Wabi-sabi 
January 11th, 2018 9:09pm
> He hates the US, plain and simple.

I fucking hate it too.  I couldn't believe what a shithole it felt like after living in London.

Trump wants to know why we don't have more immigration from Norway?  Take a guess why that is, dingbats.
Permalink Wabi-sabi 
January 11th, 2018 9:21pm
>  Trump wants to know why we don't have more immigration from Norway? 

About that, sure. A "better" (more comfortable-to-live-in) country that is separated by an ocean, and less/no social nets.

On one hand Trump makes the big mistake by not acknowledging that residents of shithole countries may be properly motivated to become successful in business or professions, as millions of so called disadvantaged immigrants from India, and in the past Viet Name, Ireland, Scotland, Italy, etc. came here and became productive citizens.

You could say the same about Haitians or Africans... maybe. But they should have a work ethic if they want to immigrate.

There is absolutely no reason for a German, Norwegian, or anyone from most of the EU for that matter to do so unless they have some particular affection for the US system.

The looney left sees an absolute right for anyone with any background to enter the US and get a green card and bleats racism against the slightest resistance... while all other developed high income nations demand net worth, rarity of occupation, direct investment, etc. for citizenship or work visas.

Trump is totally on-targe and is simply stating how other developed countries approach the issue of immigration, but he's shit at stating the entire case against unchecked immigration plainly. I see his tirade as another semi-deliberate mass troll.
Permalink Bored Bystander 
January 11th, 2018 9:30pm
>I've tried to be less triggered in past months when pious Jewey hypocrite asshole Shylock derides the people of the interior of the country. This puts his bloviations totally in perspective. He hates the US, plain and simple.

No, I hate stupid motherfuckers like you who fuck up their lives, can't be arsed to fix them and try to drag the rest of us down to your pathetic, fucked up level.

I look down on you.
Permalink Shylock 
January 11th, 2018 9:43pm
If only we could replace worthless idiots like you with hard working Spanish people. We'd be a much better country.
Permalink Shylock 
January 11th, 2018 9:44pm
Being Jewish has nothing to do with it.
Permalink Shylock 
January 11th, 2018 9:46pm
hard working Spanish people?

Have you ever been to Spain?

Great great country, not hard working.
Permalink C 
January 11th, 2018 9:49pm
"Trump is totally on-targe and is simply stating how other developed countries approach the issue of immigration"

Absolutely true.

The US doesn't need ANY immigration at all. We have 330 million people here and a lot of them don't work. Those that  don't work (not talking about the genuinely disabled who can't work) are unskilled people who don't want to work, or have a bad attitude. Talk to anyone running a fast food restaurant, chicken plucking operation, cleaning service, or other company that is able to hire the unskilled. The problem become not that they are unskilled but that they can't show up on time, have no initiative, bitch if asked to do the slightest thing, and require constant supervision as if they are toddlers.

But, hire mexican or el salvadorean undocumented for these jobs and we see a good work ethic, right? So THAT is why we need immigration. Because the US lower class has NO work ethic.
Permalink Reality Check 
January 11th, 2018 9:53pm
"Moshe van koskesh was Horrorwitz, not me."

So you and Horrowitz just HAPPEN to be the only two people here that view the USA as a "shithole" and post using Jewish names! Amazing. It's like you were separated at birth.

Main difference I suppose is Horrorwitz lived in Israel and had a Jewish girlfriend.
Permalink Reality Check 
January 11th, 2018 9:55pm
> while all other developed high income nations demand net worth, rarity of occupation, direct investment, etc. for citizenship or work visas.

It's funny that American's don't know how their own system of immigration works.  I have a friend who's trying to get her degree to move there.  You've bought into a some kind of false narrative to rally against and it makes no sense at all.
Permalink Send private email Almost Anonymous 
January 11th, 2018 9:58pm
Anyway Bored back to how we don't need immigration. We only need it because for low skill stuff the low class americans won't work these jobs and if they get them they resent it and are no end of trouble thanks to their horrific work ethic, propensity to steal from employer, drug use, etc.

So US solution is "let's open the floodgates wide to every unskilled person in the world to fill these jobs."

WE HAVE UNSKILLED PEOPLE ALREADY. We don't need more. What we need is to fix the ones we have.

If you have a US shithole like MISSISSIPPI or WEST VIRGINIA, the Big Planners say, "Oh my, the students are doing so poorly. Let's gut the programs providing vocational training. Let's get rid of the life skills math and replace it with calculus. Let's implement STEM across the curriculum and soon Mississippi and West Virginia will be tech powerhouses!

Fast forward 20 years, that didn't happen despite all the money spent, but the new situation is you can't find a plumber.
Permalink Reality Check 
January 11th, 2018 10:00pm
"It's funny that American's don't know how their own system of immigration works."

You're the one that doesn't know.

Here's how it works for most, percentage wise.

1. Illegally immigrate to the US, or come on a temporary humanitarian earthquake visa etc, or student visa.

2. Once here, stay here doing crimes and drugs, or for some, honest low skill work, until an administration grants you amnesty.


You are trying to push that most people follow the "official" immigration process. That is not true.
Permalink Reality Check 
January 11th, 2018 10:02pm
With of course the required squatting out of as many anchor babies as possible so that you can legally collect benefits for low income families with children, and also being able to go on a march with a mexican flag, burn an american flag, and say "Viva la Mexico, don't you dare send us back" and the tear filled vignettes on the nightly news "Why are they wanting to split up mi familia!" as if the parents somehow can't take their anchor babies back with them when deported.
Permalink Reality Check 
January 11th, 2018 10:04pm
@Shylock

> Being Jewish has nothing to do with it.

The hate and contempt make you a hypocrite. Use the Hebrew phrases, play at being highly educated and above everything... then spew raw disgust and contempt at people you don't know and never even met.

God Damned hypocrite. Fuck you. God will judge you. Asshole.
Permalink Bored Bystander 
January 11th, 2018 10:16pm
But, you're triggering me again. You aren't worth the effort, Shylock. You're just a poster child for self righteous herd minded liberalism.
Permalink Bored Bystander 
January 11th, 2018 10:18pm
Thanks for the Scrapper thing. I see some guys with a can do attitude, a work ethic, who take the initiative, and have pride in their work.
Permalink Reality Check 
January 11th, 2018 10:22pm
Guys like Shylock contribute a lot to antisemitism. People see this sort of shit and decide, fuck it, let's hate jews.
Permalink Reality Check 
January 11th, 2018 10:23pm
Squatters title sequence:

"In 1947 Senator Vandenberg told President Truman that gaining public support for a perpetual global campaign required that the government scare the hell out of the American people."

I wonder if that was true, it was in the context of plans for a perpetual global war.
Permalink Reality Check 
January 11th, 2018 10:27pm
Scrappers title sequence.
Permalink Reality Check 
January 11th, 2018 10:27pm
Minimum wage isn't worth showing up on time for.

Welfare benefits for having a bunch of kids and not working is a myth.

ITT dumb shithole Americans race baited into opposing social safety nets and a living wage.
Permalink MS 
January 11th, 2018 10:30pm
According to a Center for Immigration Studies report, a whopping 75% of Mexican and Guatemalan legal and illegal immigrants with children are using federal welfare programs. Primarily they are exploiting Medicaid and the food-stamp and Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) programs. Only immigrants from the Dominican Republic use welfare at higher rates.

The states where immigrant households with children have the highest welfare-use rates are all states with heavy concentrations of illegal Hispanic immigrants: Arizona, Colorado, California, Texas and New York.

Overall, 71% of Hispanic immigrant households with children are using one or more welfare programs, compared with 57% of all immigrants and 39% of native households with children, the center estimated, based on the most recent Census Bureau surveys.
Permalink Reality Check 
January 11th, 2018 10:39pm
> Guys like Shylock contribute a lot to antisemitism. People see this sort of shit and decide, fuck it, let's hate jews.

The real deal is it's coastal liberalism, the cunts who live in the money centers of the US which prospers because banking and finance and the state (deep and otherwise) are based there. The cunts who make lots of money and look down on the scrapper meth types and the scrapper's immediate families trying to survive.

I make a lot of the aspect of Jewishness with Shylock because he can be all pious and churchy on the forum here. Then he turns around and spews acid rain at those whom he only knows as media stereotypes.
Permalink Bored Bystander 
January 11th, 2018 10:42pm
> Minimum wage isn't worth showing up on time for.

I'll agree with that!!!

> Welfare benefits for having a bunch of kids and not working is a myth.

Bull-shit.

> ITT dumb shithole Americans race baited into opposing social safety nets and a living wage.

Nah, we badly need those things. Immigration is a separate issue. Kind of.
Permalink Bored Bystander 
January 11th, 2018 10:44pm
>> Minimum wage isn't worth showing up on time for.

> I'll agree with that!!!

You guys have poor work ethic. If you don't want to show up on time, don't take the job.

You know what jobs you don't have to show up on time for? High paid tech ones. If I want to roll in at noon and work until 10pm, it's my call. I also might go 12:30 to 5:30pm.

But you got a minimum wage job, that's often shift work, they need you there when they do.

If I schedule a cleaning lady for 3-5pm I want her to show up then, not some other time.
Permalink Reality Check 
January 11th, 2018 10:55pm
So I'm about half way through the Scrapper documentary.

It seems to me there is absolutely no downside to this.

It would cost an absolute fortune to pay experts to go clean up all the unexploded ordnance out there on these ranges.

Instead these guys, who would be homeless otherwise, go collect sidewinders, disarm them and recycle the aluminum.

Sometimes their old trailers blow up, killing them. No one else is hurt.

These guys make a living and provide a needed service. Let them be.

The military guy won't even show his face in the film and says they might be selling explosives to terrorists. ORLY. So show us that happening. It's not like they aren't monitoring the scrappers, they know exactly what they are doing. If they were really selling to terrorists that would have been busted and all over the news.
Permalink Reality Check 
January 11th, 2018 10:58pm
>If I schedule a cleaning lady for 3-5pm I want her to show up then, not some other time.

Then pay a living wage.
Permalink MS 
January 11th, 2018 11:00pm
>It seems to me there is absolutely no downside to this.

This sums up why America is a shithole, the military-industrial  complex craps in it's own back yard and isn't required to clean up it's own mess, instead it ruins the lives of the poor.
Permalink library_uk 
January 12th, 2018 3:28am
Minimum wage, $!5 is a living wage.

And the cleaning lady shows up on time. Because she's Guatemalan and they install a work ethic and responsibility in the schools in that country.
Permalink Reality Check 
January 12th, 2018 8:53am
"instead it ruins the lives of the poor."

What a load of crap.

Not a single one of these guys is being forced to do it. Not only that but it's illegal for them to do so! But they do it because they enjoy the lifestyle. They drive around in decrepit clunkers that they've modified with fat wheels and such to be mad max desert rovers, zoom in between bombing attacks to grab stuff and make a dash for it. When the enemy gets close they stop their vehicle and cover it with a camo tarp.

You'er a sad sad person that wants to deny them the only joy they have in life.
Permalink Reality Check 
January 12th, 2018 8:56am
> > Guys like Shylock contribute a lot to antisemitism. People see this sort of shit and decide, fuck it, let's hate jews.

> The real deal is it's coastal liberalism, the cunts who live in the money centers of the US which prospers because banking and finance and the state (deep and otherwise) are based there.

You fuckers are crazy.

I brought up the "scrapper types" as an example of how third world America can be, not that the people there deserve to be miserable.

People desperately pawing through minefields to find scrap metal for sustenance is evidence of how fucking broken the American system.  Meanwhile baby boomer dingbat Trump voters (who aren't too far away from third world America) plug their ears up when anyone points out that this kind of extreme poverty simply does not exist in Western Europe.
Permalink Wabi-sabi 
January 12th, 2018 1:11pm
Also arguing that someone would be turned antisemitic because one Jewish person has this habit of rubbing your noses in your support of a racist advantage system is psycho.
Permalink Wabi-sabi 
January 12th, 2018 1:14pm
Agreed.  Psycho's will grab onto any justification for their psycho beliefs.  That's what keeps a psycho a psycho.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
January 12th, 2018 1:21pm

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