RIP Philo

Do you apply for jobs that you do not meet the requirements for?

I've been looking at developer/database admin positions.  I usually meet some of the requirements but rarely ever all of the requirements.

I don't have experience working in an "Agile" team, for example.  Most of my development jobs have been done solo.  Most of these companies are looking for someone that has developed in a team.  I work on an IT team but handle the software development projects myself.

They want an exact fit.  You might have experience in A, B, C, D and they want B, D, F, and G.  Or they want experience in A to Z.

I've looked at database administration jobs and it's the same deal.  They want someone who has specialized for years.  Being in more of a jack of all trades role (where database admin is only a small part of my total responsibilities) I will hit some of the requirements but not all.  It doesn't help that my company is still on SQL 2008 when there are newer versions out there.

Have any of you guys over-exaggerated your experience to get a position?  If so, how did it turn out?
Permalink dot 
February 7th, 2018 10:03am
>my company is still on SQL 2008

Have you considered suggesting that your company upgrades to a newer version?

Getting experience of performing the upgrade would look good on your CV.

I thought support for SQL Server 2008 ended a couple of years ago? (around the time support for XP ended).
Permalink Grumpy Old Git 
February 7th, 2018 10:18am
> Have you considered suggesting that your company upgrades to a newer version?

It has to be approved by corporate which can take forever.

> Getting experience of performing the upgrade would look good on your CV.

That would be done by our offshore server administration team.

> I thought support for SQL Server 2008 ended a couple of years ago? (around the time support for XP ended).

R2 is still supported through next year.  We had some vendor based software that was still on 2005!  We were still running 2000 until 5 or 6 years ago.
Permalink dot 
February 7th, 2018 10:50am
Been on any interviews?
Permalink Tom 
February 7th, 2018 10:54am
Sorry. I have no info to share. I won't be looking for any new job. I have decided that this is the last job I will ever have. After this, I will take "remote" only job if they want me to help them out.
Permalink DrNo 
February 7th, 2018 10:57am
The job search has been a bit dry.  I have sent out dozens of resumes and had two phone interviews.  Heard back from one saying they are going in a different direction.  The job is still listed.  Had another interview for a database developer gig that I thought went well.  HR lady said they'd get back to me by the end of last week but I haven't heard anything.

I recall getting more responses in late 2016 when I was looking the last time.  Not sure if the job market has slowed, my additional experience is working against me, or it's just a slow time of the year.  Figured things would pick up a bit after the new year.

There is nothing in my local area except for entry level sysadmin/tech support gigs.  Almost all of the developer/database positions in the city are posted by recruiters/body shops.
Permalink dot 
February 7th, 2018 11:01am
I do apply if there's a slight mismatch. Like they need a C++ programmer to work on server side stuff, ideally with experience in some library. I don't know that library but still apply.

Other case, they need a C++ programmer to do game development in OpenGL. That's on another planet to me so I skip it.
Permalink Io 
February 7th, 2018 11:04am
Apply.  The most likely outcome is they reject you without interview, even when you do match the ad.
Permalink FSK 
February 7th, 2018 11:09am
> Apply.  The most likely outcome is they reject you without interview, even when you do match the ad.

I see your point, there's nothing to lose, other than time.

I have had interviews where they have asked me questions about something I was not familiar with and was put on the spot lol.

Is it better to be honest or bullshit your way through a question that you don't have a good answer to?  They'll usually ask something that can be looked up on Google in a few seconds. 

Some ads require jquery experience (among other things), for example.  I work with jquery from time to time but am by no means an expert, nor does one have to be to get value out of it.
Permalink dot 
February 7th, 2018 11:15am
I think I may never have seen any tech/developer job that I am qualified for according to their list of requirements.

There are even cases where some podunk company wants an expert in technology X, and the inventor and primary maintainer of technology X finds he is not qualified.

A famous case is that Ken Thompson, the inventor of unix itself and the predecessor to the C language is not deemed qualified or allowed to work on any C code at Google because he hasn't passed their C programming skills test.
Permalink Reality Check 
February 7th, 2018 11:55am
Naturally not.  Have you SEEN what early K&R 'C' looked like?  Yikes.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
February 7th, 2018 12:02pm
C is fine in one level above assembly language! I had no problem using it. Object oriented is the shit that screwed things up. Sure, it gives you some convenience but most of the time you aren't re-using anything in your code for one time app.
Permalink DrNo 
February 7th, 2018 12:06pm
No-one uses K&R C any more. But there was once an occasion where I had to write a C program for some company, a client of the company I was working for. It might have been a government agency, I forget now. There was some constraint such that I had to write the code in our office rather than on their hardware. So I did that. Then I went on site with the source code to compile on their machine. And it spewed out compiler errors big time(!) Wat? Their compiler was K&R. Which they neglected to tell me before the project. So I rewrote my ANSI function headers as K&R. All sweet then.
Permalink ,ndo 
February 7th, 2018 3:39pm
"No-one uses K&R C any more."

I wish that people who don't know C would refrain from commenting in discussions. Of course that will never happen. The ignorant but confident children who received constant self esteem therapy from their boomer parents are always the loudest and largest group in any discussion, and tend to drive things, into the fiery pit.

The K&R, "The C Programming Language" came in a second edition with the ANSI updates. That is canonical K&R and tons of people use that dialect.

There's also the pre-ANSI. This is used a lot less, but there's still code bases for legacy things that use it when only a pre-ANSI compiler is available and it's not been worth the trouble to update the compiler.

When we talk of K&R though, we always mean ANSI K&R. When you don't mean that, you specify it as "pre-ANSI". That is to say, anyone with real life C experience. Not wankers and posers though who once overheard something like all you all here.
Permalink Reality Check 
February 7th, 2018 4:15pm
Fun fact: My well worn copy of K&R is signed by both Kernighan and Ritchie. I doubt many others can say the same. In my case I knew Dennis and I brought it to dinner one year and he signed it. He also told me how to go about getting Brian to sign it.
Permalink Reality Check 
February 7th, 2018 4:17pm
No you are wrong. I have both editions of the white book. The first one is K&R C and the second is ANSI C. You are right when you say the second edition updated C to ANSI but you are wrong when you say the first edition is not K&R. You can call it pre-ANSI if you like because that is a true statement but no-one apart from you calls it pre-ANSI, we call it K&R.
Permalink ,ndo 
February 7th, 2018 4:22pm
"it spewed out errors"

Spoken truly like someone who didn't bother to try.

$ cat > hello.c
#include <stdio.h>

int main(argc, argv)
int argc;
char *argv;
{
  printf("Hello, world.\n");
  return 0;
}
^D
$ gcc hello.c
$ a.out
Hello, world.



THE OLD STYLE IS STILL VALID IN MODERN C.
Permalink Reality Check 
February 7th, 2018 4:25pm
"No you are wrong."

No you are wrong, a dumb fuck, a liar, and a moron.

Fuck you, imbecile.
Permalink Reality Check 
February 7th, 2018 4:25pm
The compiler in my anecdote pre-dated ANSI and did not recognise ANSI source, idiot.
Permalink ,ndo 
February 7th, 2018 4:34pm
> $ a.out


Current directory on your path?!
Maniac!
Permalink Q 
February 7th, 2018 4:50pm
dot: Apply. Learn from all attempts.
Permalink Legion 
February 7th, 2018 10:30pm

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