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Basic income

Any of you peasants ever got near to that? Know what it means (as in NOT not working)?
Permalink Io 
April 12th, 2018 11:33am
Your question is unclear.
Permalink Ubfyedd 
April 12th, 2018 11:34am
Mă piș pe voi de proști dacă nu. Pula mea, am pierdut deja 40'j de ani vorbind cu imbecili.

Și voiu face asta că vreți sau nu vreți și dacă nu vreți sugeți pula.

Învățați română, în pula mea.
Permalink Io 
April 12th, 2018 11:35am
Limba română este o limbă mai precisă decât limba engleză. Vot că am solicitat-o pentru toate mesajele de pe CoT.
Permalink Reality Check 
April 12th, 2018 11:46am
There's two problems with it.

1) The fundamental concept is that it's money that everyone gets that is intended to give them some basic subsistence level (i.e. you won't starve), and that it replaces all existing benefit programs.  The key words being "everyone" and "replaces". But you commonly hear people saying things like "Naturally, rich people shouldn't get it."  and "Well, this would supplement what they're already getting."  That's not the intent.

2) The math doesn't work out.  The US 2017 poverty level for a household with 4 people in it is $28,300, or $2,360 a month.  The US population in 2017 was 325.7 million (adults + children). So doing the math that's $9.2 trillion a year in spending.  The entire US government spent $4 trillion in 2017 - that's Social Security, Medicare, Defense, and everything else.  We'd replace $1.9 trillion in benefit spending with $9.2 trillion, and the typical income tax would more than double.
Permalink Send private email xampl9 
April 12th, 2018 11:51am
Reality Check++

If you're the guy who trolled me, I'm retiring the "break your skull" proposal. Not the "drink until you get Latin" one :P
Permalink Io 
April 12th, 2018 11:57am
I don't think I'm trolling anyone. My post was the first of mine in this thread if you mean that?

As far as drinking goes it's past noon and I'm already 4 drinks in... you?
Permalink Reality Check 
April 12th, 2018 12:41pm
"it's money that everyone gets"

Including illegal aliens and resident aliens? Or are they just going to be the ones to work while the citizens collect the checks?

Didn't that system used to be called chattel slavery?
Permalink Reality Check 
April 12th, 2018 12:42pm
>> Including illegal aliens and resident aliens?

There are no illegal aliens in Romania / Hungary.

There are resident aliens but they're a whole different story. A few hundred years along the way and they're just like us! :)
Permalink Io 
April 12th, 2018 12:45pm
Is that where Borat came from?
Permalink DrNo 
April 12th, 2018 12:46pm
Yeah. Southern Bucharest.
Permalink Io 
April 12th, 2018 12:50pm
Borat is from Kazakhstan:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borat
Permalink WikiBot 
April 12th, 2018 12:50pm
Eastern Europe is all the same: http://www.imcdb.org/i072787.jpg
Permalink Io 
April 12th, 2018 12:51pm
Doing the math

> US 2017 poverty level for a household with 4 people in it is $28,300, or $2,360 a month.  The US population in 2017 was 325.7 million (adults + children). So doing the math that's $9.2 trillion a year in spending.


325/4 * 28000 = 2.2 Trillion

126 million households
126.22 million * 28000 = 3.5 trillion
Permalink Jones 
April 12th, 2018 8:11pm
A way to bring that down is to separate out housing entirely. Just pay income for food, clothing, power etc. Consumables, in other words. Then you're not paying for housing for people who have independent income. People with no independent income and no mortgage or outright ownership receive a second income: housing income. The total expenditure will be substantially less than a single basic income for everyone.
Permalink ,ndo 
April 12th, 2018 9:21pm
His point was it ain't no damn 9 trillion.
Permalink Bob Baden 
April 12th, 2018 10:10pm
Yes got that. And it can go lower than the 3.5.
Permalink ,ndo 
April 12th, 2018 10:18pm
Yeah sure pass less than 28K per household. No shit
Permalink Get Educated! 
April 12th, 2018 10:26pm
> US 2017 poverty level for a household with 4 people in it is $28,300, or $2,360 a month.  The US population in 2017 was 325.7 million (adults + children). So doing the math that's $9.2 trillion a year in spending.

$28,300 for 4 people you're fucked. Insurance payments will eat 100% of that. Now what do you do for food and lodging and electricity?

Also, it's worse. Average household size in the US is 2.54 people. Fewer people in a household means higher cost per person.

One person making $7000 isn't just poor, he's destitute. He can't afford to rent anything. He can't see the doctor. He can eat a couple meals on that $19 a day.
Permalink Reality Check 
April 13th, 2018 7:19am
Remember, the basic income idea is it replaces all other programs. So you don't get any health care subsidies, there are no free clinics, food stamps and community food banks stocked with USDA subsidized food is all gone. You get your $7000 a year payment, and you are expected to pay for everything with that.

Good deal for the government since they spend more than $7000 on the typical poor person each year already. The only difference here is the middle class and rich also get the $7000.
Permalink Reality Check 
April 13th, 2018 7:21am

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