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Getting Banksy'd

Banksy artwork shreds itself after £1m sale at Sotheby's:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-45770028

There was speculation on social media that the prank may have actually caused the artwork to increase in value.
Permalink Hampus Clitus 
October 6th, 2018 6:26am
The articles on this are so devoid of information beyond Banksy's Instagram feed, where he clearly had HD cameras from multiple angles of the auction.

Who owned this painting before it went for auction? How did they get it? Who was the current seller? Who is the current buyer?

It's pretty clear Banksy had several operatives at the auction. Maybe himself, if he is one person. You have to be rich to get into a Sotheby's high end art auction I think, they are not open to the public, they vette your id and finances. The operatives filmed and one of them pressed a button on his cellphone app to activate the shredder over bluetooth.

Where this came from and went to is mysterious. It seems the seller was part of the Banksy collective. It seems also the buyer might have been part of the Banksy collective as well. You can outbid everyone in an auction and set a record for yourself as an artist, grabbing headlines, if you know that you have a shredder that is going to destroy the work, making it so you can simply refuse to pay. The "seller" can then refuse to relist, and regain possession of the work.
Permalink McCain's Tumor 
October 7th, 2018 9:05am
The modern art movement was a complete sham funded by the CIA just to make the USSR look ‘unhip’.

Maybe this is what they’re doing now?
Permalink Armchair Lawyer 
October 7th, 2018 9:10am
> The modern art movement was a complete sham funded by the CIA just to make the USSR look ‘unhip’.

It's amazing they spent hundreds of millions bidding up Jackson Pollock paintings in order to drive the Soviet's nuts after hand selecting Pollock following an extensive search to find most inane and untalented artist they could find.

And who got brainwashed? American art dealers and collectors who then came to believe Pollock was genius! And since things are worth what you are willing to pay, Pollock really is a genius! Or something!

Who's the sucker though? The Soviets who completely ignored the whole thing, probably because they knew exactly what was up as they already had CIA double agents tipping them off? Or the American public who funded this whole sham and who to this day thinks there is any credibility whatsoever in the CIA?
Permalink McCain's Tumor 
October 7th, 2018 10:08am
Hey no need to rub it in, we still have Blue Poles hanging in Canberra.

I did actually give it a go once, stood in front of it for maybe 15 minutes (or felt like it) trying to find a story or film in there. No success.
Permalink ,ndo 
October 7th, 2018 10:16am
What artists do you like ndo?

How about Picasso?
Permalink Bored Bystander 
October 7th, 2018 11:29am
I find the Pollock work interesting to look at, briefly in passing, as historical artifacts. There's no question at this point they have value. And though we can't rewind history and prove it, I'm pretty sure without CIA backing no one would be collecting Pollocks and the entire modern abstract expressionism field would have gone in a different direction.

I have an original Picasso I was willed by a relative. I don't know why he left it to me, I didn't really know him that well, just met him as a child. It's neat having it but it's not something I think about other than in threads like this or when I see it in the guest bathroom where I have it.
Permalink McCain's Tumor 
October 7th, 2018 11:44am
Picasso prints aren’t that rare or expensive. Is it a print or a painting?
Permalink Obama's Nose Mole 
October 7th, 2018 12:17pm
It's a charcoal study he did before he was a modernist. Fairly rare.
Permalink McCain's Tumor 
October 7th, 2018 1:27pm
Are you worried about moisture damage in the bathroom?

How much have you insured it for?
Permalink Bored Bystander 
October 7th, 2018 2:41pm
It's insured for a good amount, but for considerably less than appraisal. Full coverage in these conditions was worth more than it's worth it to me to have it in the bathroom, so I just said what sort of coverage can I get for X, and got that.

To get a decent rate I had to add a moisture activated fan in the bathroom. Previously it had a switch controlled fan, now it turns on automatically. The charcoal's also in a specially sealed frame designed for the conditions, and is securely attached to the wall rather than hung. The insurance company (Lloyds) wouldn't cover it at all without doing all these things. Also had to verify that the house has active and maintained 3rd party alarm protection. If I lapse that and it's stolen, there's no pay out.
Permalink McCain's Tumor 
October 7th, 2018 3:24pm
> What artists do you like

Not really into artists per se, just try to see what the painting is doing or saying. So for example with Renaissance paintings, there's usually a lot going on, a lot of people doing little things. I try to feel the commotion if that's what the painting suggests.

I'll tell you one thing I did get into. There's a children's story called Farewell to the Farivox which I was given by an aunt. It was set in an outback town or similar, and the illustration were magic, I could feel the heat and and hear the muffle (when it is very hot, sound doesn't travel very well and ordinary things sound noticeably different (muffled) compared to winter when things sound very crisp) and see the heat haze. Amazing.
Permalink ,ndo 
October 7th, 2018 6:28pm

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