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Involuntary recall - why you should not join the military

"Involuntary recall" is a process by which anyone who has ever served in the military, even if they are an old retired guy on social security, or a cripple, can be drafted and forced to redeploy in a war zone.

It's the same as slavery of course. Any involuntary draft is slavery, at least according to Thomas Jefferson.

http://www.wsmv.com/news/18391549/detail.html

The last time Paul Bandel, 50, saw combat was in the early 1990s during the Gulf War.
"(I was) kind of shocked, not understanding what I was getting into," said Bandel.
In 1993, Bandel took the option of leaving the Army without retirement and never thought he would be called back to action.
"Here he's 50 years old, getting his AARP card, and here he's being redeployed with all these 18-year-olds," said Paul's wife, Linda Bandel.
"I can understand, say, 'Here, we have this assignment for you stateside. Go do your training,'" said Paul Bandel. "But, 'Hey, here's a gun, go back to the desert.'"
Involuntary recall allows the military, regardless of age or how long someone has been out of service, to order vets back into active duty.
Permalink Consultant 
January 3rd, 2009 8:33am
Fuck That Shit
Permalink what are you reading for? 
January 3rd, 2009 9:14am
I thought that once you pass your 43rd birthday they couldn't do that anymore.

I'm not quite desperate for a job that I would welcome that happening to me.

"Sergeant Xampl, we know that we don't even use the replacement for the equipment you used to work with, but we're going to insist that you report to Lackland AFB for induction on Monday anyway."
Permalink xampl 
January 3rd, 2009 11:04am
If they're going to recall older soldiers, at least put them in stateside jobs and send the young ones to actually fight the wars.

I can imagine the 50 year olds collapsing in the desert heat.  War shouldn't be fought by old folks (well, it shouldn't be fought period, but that's another topic).
Permalink Sin-wat 
January 3rd, 2009 12:04pm
Dude, he didn't "Retire" -- he never left the military.  He stayed in the "inactive reserves".  This means he gets health-care, access to some military services.  When he hits 65, he gets military retirement.

I find it odd that the military would re-activate a 50 year old -- but hey, they're desperate for people at this point, that's one of the risks of the path he chose.

And yes, the military can fuck with your life more than any other organization you'll ever join.  It's NOT a Democracy, after all, it's a benevolent Dictatorship.  Shoot, I got out with an Honorable Discharge after three years active duty, three years active reserve duty, and count myself lucky to this day.

On the other hand, the Navy and the Air Force are good services to belong to.  The Marines and Army get screwed pretty often though, avoid those like the plague.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
January 3rd, 2009 12:36pm
interesting why navy/air over army/marines?
Permalink guess worker 
January 3rd, 2009 1:11pm
Because in the Navy or Air Force, people aren't shooting at YOU, specifically.  If they GET that close, they're shooting at your ship or your aircraft.

In the Army, it's boots on the ground that control the territory.  Much greater temptation to Rear Echelon Mother Fuckers (REMF's) to throw you against penny-ante dictators and indulge their wounded pride.

Now, the Marines are the ones the Navy throws at the beach.  There's even LESS reluctance to bring in the Marines.

Don't get me wrong, in a violent world with penny-ante dictators quite common, there's a need for a military.  But if you have one, there's a need for responsible, mature, far-sighted people to know when to use them properly.

We haven't been led that way for a long time.  Certainly not in the last 8 years.  Maybe soon, though.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
January 3rd, 2009 1:20pm
The article says nothing about inactive reserves. He is not in the reserves - he LEFT the military and has had nothing to do with it for decades.
Permalink Consultant 
January 3rd, 2009 1:22pm
Sorry, incorrect.
"In 1993, Bandel took the option of leaving the Army without retirement and never thought he would be called back to action."

He did NOT retire, so he remains subject to recall at the pleasure of the military.  His mistake.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
January 3rd, 2009 1:24pm
oh...

I though there was some insider stuff about funding or status or benefits.
Permalink guess worker 
January 3rd, 2009 1:24pm
Leaving without retirement means he doesn't get a pension, it doesn't mean he is still in the military.

You need to serve for 20 years to get military pension retirement. He did not serve for 20 years, therefore he was not eligible for military retirement.

If I work for Joel for 10 years and then leave at age 35, I will be leaving without retirement.
Permalink Consultant 
January 3rd, 2009 1:27pm
I'm sorry -- did I not say the US Military gets deals denied to the rest of our democracy and commerce?

Joel can't call you back after 10 years, either.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
January 3rd, 2009 1:29pm
http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/fraud/us_government/news.php?q=1227479352

The United States has begun an astonishing "general mobilization" of ALL retired or honorably discharged military members from ALL branches of the service!
Letters have gone out to several Million former soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines which read as follows:
SUBJECT: Recall from Retired Status
A. Name:***** *****
B. Retired grade: E-6
C. Serial Number: ***-**-****
D. PMOS:
E. Current mailing Address:
F. Date Retired: 10 OCT 86
Petty Officer *****, You have been selected for recall to active duty for a period of not less than three years; or a period of time which will extend beyond your 55th birthday or 30 years active Federal service whichever is sooner and; You will not be eligible for voluntary release from active duty during the period for which recalled, but may be released from active duty for the convenience of the Government; and while recalled, You will be subject to all provisions of the Uniform Code of Military Justice including discharge from the pursuant thereto and all Navy regulations including those providing for administrative reduction; but any administrative separation from the will be accomplished by releasing you from active duty rather than by discharge, except where other action is directed by Headquarters, Department of the Navy.
1. Enclosure
Report of Physical Examination
To give you an idea of how incredible this is, the last time the United States made a "general mobilization" was in December, 1941.
General mobilization orders usually take 120 days to show an effect, which translates into late February, early March, 2009.
Sadly, this time frame fits with my prediction that the United States government will financially collapse by the end of February and de-monetize the US dollar as a currency, wiping-out the life savings of every citizen and paving the way for introduction of the AMERO to replace the dollar.
Involuntary recall is part of all enlistment contracts in the military. Whenever anyone joins the military, they sign a contract for their Military Occupational Specialty (MOS) and are told in writing they are subject to being involuntarily recalled into military service FOREVER.
This general mobilization will involve literally millions of Americans and will prove incredibly disruptive to millions of families and to businesses throughout our nation. The big question is: WHY?
Why is this being done?
It seems to me that there are only two possibilities:
1) We will be in another (huge) war within the first 6 months of 2009 OR;
2) the government will collapse and they fear being forcibly overthrown by hostile citizens angry at losing everything.
For my part, I hope the latter is not the case because if the politicians think the military can, would - or even could - protect them from their own citizens, they are sadly mistaken.
Here in the USA, 95 million law-abiding citizens own over 212 million lawful firearms. If even ten percent of those gun owners were to rise-up to overthrow the government, the entire Army, Navy Air Force and Marines would be outnumbered more then ten to one - even with this general mobilization!
Any military members foolish enough to fight the very citizens they swore to protect, would quickly find themselves dead. Any foreign troops brought in from overseas would be cut down with a brutality they cannot even imagine.
What is amazing to me about this is the absolute, total silence about it in our "main stream" media. No information about this mobilization is being mentioned as news anywhere in US media except in outlets such as this web site.
More details as they become available. . . . . check back.
Permalink Consultant 
January 3rd, 2009 1:31pm
Anyway, let me lay out what this means.

It means that me, Hubble, Philo and sharkfish are all subject to getting recalled involuntarily.

It also means that in 6 months to a year, the US is going to start in with another war.
Permalink Consultant 
January 3rd, 2009 1:44pm
My understanding was, once "Honorably Discharged", you were no longer subject to recall.

I'd be extremely pissed if this were not the case.  Only a little surprised, but extremely pissed.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
January 3rd, 2009 1:46pm
It seems not.

http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/1109-09.htm

n November 5, Kauai, Hawai’i, resident David M. Miyasato filed a lawsuit here in the United States District Court seeking to restrain the United States Army from involuntarily recalling him to active duty.

After being ignored by the Army for weeks, the Army responded within hours after Miyasato filed his suit, granting him an “administrative delay” for up to 30 days, and notifying Mr. Miyasato he would soon be receiving a “new report date”.

His attorney, Eric A. Seitz, said, “My belief is that the Army is hard-pressed to recruit enough troops to send to Iraq and they're activating reserves as means to avoid implementing the draft. This, however, is a back-door draft.”

Mr. Miyasato enlisted in the Army in 1987 for a term of eight years. His enlistment contract specified that he would serve on active duty for three years and then be enrolled in the inactive reserves for five additional years.

Mr. Miyasato reported for active duty on August 16, 1988. He served as a specialist E-4, driving a heavy equipment mobility tactical truck, delivering fuel, ammunition and other materials. He served in Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait during the Gulf War.

He was honorably discharged on August 15, 1991. He then returned to Kauai while he remained in the inactive reserves. His enlistment obligations expired on August 15, 1996.

Suddenly, in late September 2004, the Army issued orders directing Mr. Miyasato to report to a military facility in South Carolina on November 9, 2004, “for no more than 24 months active duty.”

Mr. Miyasato objected in writing, and pointed out that his enlistment long ago expired, but was ignored by the Army. After Miyasato filed his suit, the Army notified Mr. Miyasato he had been granted a 30-day administrative delay and would soon be receiving a “new report date”.

Mr. Miyasato owns and operates a small auto window-tinting business on the Island of Kauai. He is married and has a new infant child. If he is suddenly compelled to re-enter the Army and serve on active duty his business will not survive and he and his family will suffer significant hardship.

For interviews with David M. Miyasato and his attorney, Eric A. Seitz, please call Jeff Chang at 347.678.8593 or Juli Henning at 808.533.7434.

Veteran Sues Over Reactivation 13 Years After Army Discharge

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published: November 8, 2004

HONOLULU, Nov. 7 (AP) - A veteran of the first Persian Gulf war is suing the Army after it ordered him to report for duty 13 years after he was honorably discharged from active duty and 8 years after he left the Reserves.

The veteran, David Miyasato of Kauai, received word of his reactivation in September, but says he believes he completed his eight-year obligation to the Army long ago.

"I was shocked," Mr. Miyasato said Friday. "I never expected to see something like that after being out of the service for 13 years."

His federal lawsuit, filed Friday in Honolulu, seeks a judgment declaring that he has fulfilled his military obligations.

Harry Yee, an assistant United States attorney, said his office would defend the Army. He declined to comment further.

Mr. Miyasato, 34, was scheduled to report to a military facility in South Carolina on Tuesday.

Within hours of filing the lawsuit, however, Mr. Miyasato received a faxed letter from the Army's Human Resources Command saying that his "exemption from active duty had not been finalized at this time" but that he had been given an administrative delay for up to 30 days, said his lawyer, Eric Seitz.

Mr. Miyasato, who is married and has a 7-month-old daughter, enlisted in the Army in 1987 and served in Iraq and Kuwait during the first gulf war as a petroleum supply specialist and truck driver.

Mr. Miyasato said he received an honorable discharge from active duty in 1991, then served in the Reserves until 1996 to fulfill his eight-year enlistment commitment.

The Army announced last year that it would activate an estimated 5,600 soldiers to serve in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. Army officials are tapping members of the Individual Ready Reserve - soldiers who have been discharged from the Army, Army Reserve or the Army National Guard, but still have contractual obligations to the military.

Mr. Miyasato said he never re-enlisted, signed up for any bonuses or was told that he had been transferred to the Individual Ready Reserve or any other Reserve unit.
Permalink Consultant 
January 3rd, 2009 1:55pm
Follow up article. Perhaps this Nashville guy is also the victim of a "computer glitch". You know, those computers just have a mind of their own, always coming up with things to do other than what they were programmed to do:

----

Friday, November 12, 2004
David Miyasato off the hook..."computer error" blamed for recall of former Kauai soldier
The Kauai resident who was ordered back into the Army for a tour in Iraq 13 years after his honorable discharge will stay home after all.

David M. Miyasato said retired Army National Guard Maj. Gen. Alexis Lum, who works for U.S. Sen. Daniel Inouye, called him yesterday to say his mobilization orders had been revoked.

"It's a great day. It's an even greater Veterans Day," said Miyasato, whose plight gained national media attention after he sued the Army last week to stop his mobilization orders.

Miyasato said that Lum told him the problem had been caused by "an internal computer discrepancy."


Folks, if you get out of the military...make sure you are really discharged, and keep the records. Unless, with the wars this administration is spawning, you want to be beholden for the rest of your life to the military.
Permalink Consultant 
January 3rd, 2009 1:59pm
Hmm.  That was 2004, when up-staffing for the war was quite inconvenient.  But you have a good point there.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
January 3rd, 2009 1:59pm
The error was only "discovered" after a big to-do and him filing a lawsuit that the government realized they could not win.

Oddly enough, the "glitch" "only" affected him and no one else, right? Right?

Probably not. It looks to me like this is a stealth draft, contrary to actual terms of service. Very few soldiers will resist these redeployment letters as that would be "unpatriotic". Probably they send a million letters, and if some guy in Hawaii complains hard enough, just quietly make that one go away, and be happy with the 999,999 who didn't ask questions.
Permalink Consultant 
January 3rd, 2009 2:01pm
>> It means that me, Hubble, Philo and sharkfish are all subject to getting recalled involuntarily.  <<

Me too.
Separation date was 27 Mar 1989, with a reenlistment code of 1J, and I have the form DD-214 to show it.
Permalink xampl 
January 3rd, 2009 6:42pm
>> The United States has begun an astonishing "general mobilization" of ALL retired or honorably discharged military members from ALL branches of the service! <<

I found the author of that article.
http://www.halturnershow.blogspot.com/2008/11/us-armed-forces-begin-general.html

Let's just say I'm REALLY skeptical. 

On Thanksgiving day he reported that his house was surrounded by federal, state, and local police in both marked & unmarked vehicles.  They never even knocked on his door, but DID spend a lot of time checking passing motorists at a nearby checkpoint.  They were gone the next morning.  He thinks the grand jury failed to indict him.

And his entry about the WalMart worker that was trampled in a Black Friday sales rush, was titled "Herd of Savage Negro Beasts Stampedes Walmart Worker to Death".

Yeah, that's some quality blogging.
Permalink xampl 
January 3rd, 2009 6:53pm
Hey, Consultant wouldn't bring it to us if it wasn't some quality fringe lunatic theory.  He doesn't bring us any half-baked conspiracy theories, they're always well developed lunacy.

As for sharkfish being recalled, that seems like an easy thing to avoid.  That whole "gayer than an Easter bonnet" thing will really reduce the desirability of conscription.
Permalink Send private email Clay Dowling 
January 4th, 2009 10:56am
>SUBJECT: Recall from Retired Status

There are some serious faults with such a letter.

1 - The military hasn't used "serial number" for decades. The Army switched over from SN to SSN between 1967 and 1969. The final dates, by branch of service, for switching to SSN are:
>Branch of Service - Date of Changeover
>Army and Air Force - July 1, 1969
>Navy and Marine Corps - January 1, 1972
>Coast Guard - October 1, 1974
http://www.archives.gov/st-louis/military-personnel/social-security-numbers.html
2 - Navy doesn't use MOS, they call their's "ratings."
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjob1/a/navyjobs.htm
3 - There is no such beast as the "Headquarters, Department of the Navy." It would be Chief of Naval Personnel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_of_Naval_Personnel
4 - "your 55th birthday or 30 years active Federal service" The real regulations state age 60 and 20 years service. They also state at the time you reach 70, you're automatically retired, and you're mobilization orders are automatically cancelled.
http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r601_10.pdf
https://www.hrc.army.mil/site/Reserve/soldierservices/mobilization/retireemobilization.htm (IE gives certificate error, but that's because DoD issues their own certs)
Permalink Peter 
January 4th, 2009 12:59pm
WSMV seems to be an actual NBC station out of Nashville and that is their website. Doesn't seem to be a conspiracy theory to me.
Permalink Consultant 
January 4th, 2009 3:44pm

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