Anything else just isn't Enterprise enough.

I've been working for 30 years

I graduated from college 30 years ago this June. I took my first job working in test equipment development at Univac. There were some wonderful times there. However, one bad memory. I first worked with a guy, Greg, who believed that not helping others and not answering questions was some form of job security.

I once outlined a project that I was going to implement. Greg listened attentively, then said what he always said: Nothing. I worked on the project for a week or two, then realized a fundamental flaw. I talked to Greg about it. He said he saw that problem when I first introduced the project. Yet he said nothing. If I was his boss, I'd have fired him.
Permalink Fan boy 
June 23rd, 2009 10:04am
Rest assured that Greg got fired eventually.
Permalink Aaron 
June 23rd, 2009 10:06am
What a coincidence.  I've worked with people like Greg ALL MY LIFE.

I used to think they did it to remain "special".  Recently I discovered that some people like to be "amazing" to others.  And I can understand the desire to be "amazing" from time to time.

But people like Greg take it way too far.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
June 23rd, 2009 10:08am
I've been pretty lucky with the people I've worked with. The only secretive one I can remember was Greg.
Permalink Fan boy 
June 23rd, 2009 10:16am
stuff like that is symptomatic of a place you don't want to be in. only bad bad culture lets that type survive.
Permalink eek-o-tourist 
June 23rd, 2009 10:20am
I'm going to be really honest and say I thought that was just how men worked.

That's how they have always been in nearly every work-place I've been in where I was at their level and a perceived threat.

If they were above my level, they might give me a clue, but not 100%.

I didn't learn that this was caustic and unusual until later in my career.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
June 23rd, 2009 10:35am
I worked with one guy who was sort of like that.

A developer that left told me that in order to deal with him, I would have to understand that dealing with him was mostly going to be him sitting there with his thumbs in his butt pretending not to know anything. He said that I just had to keep after him.

I came to really like the guy. His reluctance was defendable as covering his ass. He had just been around a long time and had been burned telling people something and having it thrown in his face when he had gotten something wrong. 'Well, Bob told me....'
Permalink JoC 
June 23rd, 2009 10:40am
"I didn't learn that this was caustic and unusual until later in my career."

I can read your disappointment between the lines.
Permalink JoC 
June 23rd, 2009 10:42am
JoC++
Permalink muppet 
June 23rd, 2009 10:43am
Yep, that's not how men/people usually are, mainly just programmers.  Can't remember the last time I didn't work with a "Greg" in tech, last time was probably a she.  She's can be pretty nice, but you don't want to get the one that lords like a b*tch.
Permalink lorb 
June 23rd, 2009 10:46am
So you are saying I want men to be assholes? 

How stupid is that.  You might have even had a point but you lost it in your fucked up need to put me down.

Fuck off and die.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
June 23rd, 2009 10:46am
Oh please sharky NO ONE wants men to be assholes harder than you do.  You NEED men to be assholes.  Half of your world view is PINNED on men being clueless, authoritative assholes.
Permalink muppet 
June 23rd, 2009 10:47am
I think tech reinforces the aspergers gene or something approaching that.

"unusual until later in my career."

Just curious, did you guys really find it to be unusual later in your career or are you just saying that in case the boss is peering over your shoulder?  hehe.

Last job, co-worker started opening up after the first year in particular, when it looked like I would probably be staying and he'd have to share some of his workload (because superiors hounded).
Permalink lorb 
June 23rd, 2009 10:55am
No I don't need anyone to be an asshole to me.

What a stupid assumption.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
June 23rd, 2009 11:08am
If men aren't assholes, an awful lot of your personal ideology would come toppling down.  Or so it sure seems from the way you post here.
Permalink muppet 
June 23rd, 2009 11:09am
Yes that's why I spend every working day with them and even on my leisure time, spend it with an all male forum here on CoT.

Your argument fails logic, there, muppet.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
June 23rd, 2009 11:38am
Seeking constant reassurance?
Permalink JoC 
June 23rd, 2009 11:40am
You come here to trash everybody for being men, engage in near-constant schadenfraude, and assert your feminine superiority.

I'm not seeing a lot of male-directed-love from you here sharky girl.
Permalink muppet 
June 23rd, 2009 11:55am
Hello?  Dude?  She's gay.  She's into ladies.

Expecting "male-directed-love" from Sharky is like expecting you to come-on to Mike B.

As in, it might happen, but being disappointed when it doesn't is pretty silly.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
June 23rd, 2009 11:59am
:sigh:
Permalink muppet 
June 23rd, 2009 12:01pm
It cracks me up.  Sharkfish leaves for nearly a month, time heals all wounds, then she comes back and posts something interesting, if not banal, and Muppet is back to digging into her sh*t like it was five minutes ago.  lol.

I haven't seen anything terrifying or hair-raising from Shark lately, I think she is being quite reasonable here.
Permalink lorb 
June 23rd, 2009 12:09pm
Every other post or more there for a bit was just the same old bitchy bullshit.

I'm actually ok with that, I like the general anything goes nature here. But anything goes also means I get to poke her ribs about it.
Permalink JoC 
June 23rd, 2009 12:23pm
"did you guys really find it to be unusual later in your career?"

Not much follow-up to the original point of the post.  That's what I mean, we get a lot of meta and touchy-feely here, but unless people really follow-up with what they are saying, it's just a headline without a story, happens often enough, too.  Guess that is COT for you, unless your name is something like Peter, or Lorb, or BB, etc, but FanBoy will usually follow up, though.

It's not that everything has to be a conversation here, as one of the classes in college was expository writing, but exposit do please!  ;-D
Permalink lorb 
June 23rd, 2009 12:41pm
"Seeking constant reassurance?"

Do you mean I want my so-called opinion affirmed by the attitudes of the men here?

If that's the case, you are doing a good job.

"Be the change you want to see."

Even if you are correct and I just hate men, wouldn't it be considered good behavior to go onto a male forum and seek to open my mind? 

How many of you spend ANY time on a female forum?  How many of you actively go out of your way to have anonymous conversations with the opposite gender so you can understand them better?
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
June 23rd, 2009 12:44pm
"Expecting "male-directed-love" from Sharky is like expecting you to come-on to Mike B. "

I only write about my love for men on Reddit.

It is wasted here.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
June 23rd, 2009 12:45pm
LOL
Permalink muppet 
June 23rd, 2009 12:47pm
Do you disbelieve?
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
June 23rd, 2009 12:49pm
I always chuckle at your off-hand assertions that every male on this site is a shithead.
Permalink muppet 
June 23rd, 2009 12:56pm
Did I say that?

No, I didn't.  There are several men on here that I think would be adorable in real life and worthy of solid friendship.

The problem is, I'm not allowed to have those friendships.  Most of you have wives that would heartily disapprove.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
June 23rd, 2009 1:08pm
You are revising history, but OK, people can change.
Permalink muppet 
June 23rd, 2009 1:09pm
Have I never said anything nice about any of you?

C'mon.  That's a total lie.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
June 23rd, 2009 1:10pm
I say nice things about a lot of people here.  Do you remember any of them?
Permalink muppet 
June 23rd, 2009 1:12pm
So you admit you guys are just picking on me and you understand that I'm not here because I hate you.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
June 23rd, 2009 1:14pm
What?
Permalink muppet 
June 23rd, 2009 1:15pm
You question implies that I probably don't remember/recall any time you've said anything nice.

Because in fact, people remember the negative things you say more than the positive.

Which therefore implies that I may very well have said nice things about men but you guys either accidentally or actively choose not to remember them because it is more fun to pull my pigtails.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
June 23rd, 2009 1:18pm
You are extremely aggressive in your male bashing and condescension when you get on one of your tears.  It overshadows any other things you've contributed by a fair margin.

Seriously, when people post about you on here, do they talk about your technical expertise or the fact that you once programmed GBAs, which is pretty interesting, or do they talk about how you're a man-hating dyke?
Permalink muppet 
June 23rd, 2009 1:28pm
I don't hate men.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
June 23rd, 2009 1:29pm
I love you, muppet.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
June 23rd, 2009 1:29pm
"So you admit you guys are just picking on me and you understand that I'm not here because I hate you."

Yes, pretty much.

Besides, the real reason people stay is because of the subliminal messages Wayne has worked into the deceiving white background and title bar image.
Permalink JoC 
June 23rd, 2009 1:58pm
Aw, see, when you don't DEMAND affirming messages, Sharky's a sweetie.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
June 23rd, 2009 3:58pm
Sharkfish left us because "there is no more reason for me to stay."

I no longer feel the same about our relationships :)
Permalink Rick Tang 
June 23rd, 2009 4:40pm
Sharkfish has no backbone, and should more aptly be called "Jellyfish".
Permalink Dr. Horrorwitz 
June 23rd, 2009 5:06pm
"Sharkfish has no backbone, and should more aptly be called "Jellyfish"."

You wouldn't say that after I beat your ass.  But alas, we will never meet.  I'm really torn up about it, too.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
June 23rd, 2009 6:31pm
Lorb, I think you might have been trying to get me to follow up on my OP. I don't post from work, and my time this summer is joyfully limited.

Plus I don't want to interrupt all the love going on here.
Permalink Fan boy 
June 23rd, 2009 8:11pm
love-fest noted, no problem, at least you for one acknowledged that I said something, let alone my request.  :-).  Fanboy heard me, therefore I (must) exist.  ;-)
Permalink lorb 
June 23rd, 2009 8:44pm

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