I graduated from college 30 years ago this June. I took my first job working in test equipment development at Univac. There were some wonderful times there. However, one bad memory. I first worked with a guy, Greg, who believed that not helping others and not answering questions was some form of job security.

I once outlined a project that I was going to implement. Greg listened attentively, then said what he always said: Nothing. I worked on the project for a week or two, then realized a fundamental flaw. I talked to Greg about it. He said he saw that problem when I first introduced the project. Yet he said nothing. If I was his boss, I'd have fired him.

Rest assured that Greg got fired eventually.

What a coincidence.  I've worked with people like Greg ALL MY LIFE.

I used to think they did it to remain "special".  Recently I discovered that some people like to be "amazing" to others.  And I can understand the desire to be "amazing" from time to time.

But people like Greg take it way too far.

I've been pretty lucky with the people I've worked with. The only secretive one I can remember was Greg.

stuff like that is symptomatic of a place you don't want to be in. only bad bad culture lets that type survive.

I'm going to be really honest and say I thought that was just how men worked.

That's how they have always been in nearly every work-place I've been in where I was at their level and a perceived threat.

If they were above my level, they might give me a clue, but not 100%.

I didn't learn that this was caustic and unusual until later in my career.

I worked with one guy who was sort of like that.

A developer that left told me that in order to deal with him, I would have to understand that dealing with him was mostly going to be him sitting there with his thumbs in his butt pretending not to know anything. He said that I just had to keep after him.

I came to really like the guy. His reluctance was defendable as covering his ass. He had just been around a long time and had been burned telling people something and having it thrown in his face when he had gotten something wrong. 'Well, Bob told me....'

"I didn't learn that this was caustic and unusual until later in my career."

I can read your disappointment between the lines.

JoC++

Yep, that's not how men/people usually are, mainly just programmers.  Can't remember the last time I didn't work with a "Greg" in tech, last time was probably a she.  She's can be pretty nice, but you don't want to get the one that lords like a b*tch.

So you are saying I want men to be assholes? 

How stupid is that.  You might have even had a point but you lost it in your fucked up need to put me down.

Fuck off and die.

Oh please sharky NO ONE wants men to be assholes harder than you do.  You NEED men to be assholes.  Half of your world view is PINNED on men being clueless, authoritative assholes.

I think tech reinforces the aspergers gene or something approaching that.

"unusual until later in my career."

Just curious, did you guys really find it to be unusual later in your career or are you just saying that in case the boss is peering over your shoulder?  hehe.

Last job, co-worker started opening up after the first year in particular, when it looked like I would probably be staying and he'd have to share some of his workload (because superiors hounded).

No I don't need anyone to be an asshole to me.

What a stupid assumption.

If men aren't assholes, an awful lot of your personal ideology would come toppling down.  Or so it sure seems from the way you post here.

Yes that's why I spend every working day with them and even on my leisure time, spend it with an all male forum here on CoT.

Your argument fails logic, there, muppet.

Seeking constant reassurance?

You come here to trash everybody for being men, engage in near-constant schadenfraude, and assert your feminine superiority.

I'm not seeing a lot of male-directed-love from you here sharky girl.

Hello?  Dude?  She's gay.  She's into ladies.

Expecting "male-directed-love" from Sharky is like expecting you to come-on to Mike B.

As in, it might happen, but being disappointed when it doesn't is pretty silly.

:sigh:

It cracks me up.  Sharkfish leaves for nearly a month, time heals all wounds, then she comes back and posts something interesting, if not banal, and Muppet is back to digging into her sh*t like it was five minutes ago.  lol.

I haven't seen anything terrifying or hair-raising from Shark lately, I think she is being quite reasonable here.

Every other post or more there for a bit was just the same old bitchy bullshit.

I'm actually ok with that, I like the general anything goes nature here. But anything goes also means I get to poke her ribs about it.

"did you guys really find it to be unusual later in your career?"

Not much follow-up to the original point of the post.  That's what I mean, we get a lot of meta and touchy-feely here, but unless people really follow-up with what they are saying, it's just a headline without a story, happens often enough, too.  Guess that is COT for you, unless your name is something like Peter, or Lorb, or BB, etc, but FanBoy will usually follow up, though.

It's not that everything has to be a conversation here, as one of the classes in college was expository writing, but exposit do please!  ;-D

"Seeking constant reassurance?"

Do you mean I want my so-called opinion affirmed by the attitudes of the men here?

If that's the case, you are doing a good job.

"Be the change you want to see."

Even if you are correct and I just hate men, wouldn't it be considered good behavior to go onto a male forum and seek to open my mind? 

How many of you spend ANY time on a female forum?  How many of you actively go out of your way to have anonymous conversations with the opposite gender so you can understand them better?

"Expecting "male-directed-love" from Sharky is like expecting you to come-on to Mike B. "

I only write about my love for men on Reddit.

It is wasted here.

LOL

Do you disbelieve?

I always chuckle at your off-hand assertions that every male on this site is a shithead.

Did I say that?

No, I didn't.  There are several men on here that I think would be adorable in real life and worthy of solid friendship.

The problem is, I'm not allowed to have those friendships.  Most of you have wives that would heartily disapprove.

You are revising history, but OK, people can change.

Have I never said anything nice about any of you?

C'mon.  That's a total lie.

I say nice things about a lot of people here.  Do you remember any of them?

So you admit you guys are just picking on me and you understand that I'm not here because I hate you.

What?

You question implies that I probably don't remember/recall any time you've said anything nice.

Because in fact, people remember the negative things you say more than the positive.

Which therefore implies that I may very well have said nice things about men but you guys either accidentally or actively choose not to remember them because it is more fun to pull my pigtails.

You are extremely aggressive in your male bashing and condescension when you get on one of your tears.  It overshadows any other things you've contributed by a fair margin.

Seriously, when people post about you on here, do they talk about your technical expertise or the fact that you once programmed GBAs, which is pretty interesting, or do they talk about how you're a man-hating dyke?

I don't hate men.

I love you, muppet.

"So you admit you guys are just picking on me and you understand that I'm not here because I hate you."

Yes, pretty much.

Besides, the real reason people stay is because of the subliminal messages Wayne has worked into the deceiving white background and title bar image.

Aw, see, when you don't DEMAND affirming messages, Sharky's a sweetie.

Sharkfish left us because "there is no more reason for me to stay."

I no longer feel the same about our relationships :)

Sharkfish has no backbone, and should more aptly be called "Jellyfish".

"Sharkfish has no backbone, and should more aptly be called "Jellyfish"."

You wouldn't say that after I beat your ass.  But alas, we will never meet.  I'm really torn up about it, too.

Lorb, I think you might have been trying to get me to follow up on my OP. I don't post from work, and my time this summer is joyfully limited.

Plus I don't want to interrupt all the love going on here.

love-fest noted, no problem, at least you for one acknowledged that I said something, let alone my request.  :-).  Fanboy heard me, therefore I (must) exist.  ;-)