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Iran's nuke facility

So Iran has an enrichment facility for making weapons grade material and they have located it right underneath one of their 'Holiest' religious sites.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090925/ap_on_re_eu/eu_nuclear_iran

I see their thinking - when this place gets bombed, you have to bomb through the holy site, and that will generate outrage.

But who is to blame for that? This is a cowards way of protecting a weapons facility and no different than Palestinian "soldiers" using their own children as human shields.

In both cases, fire to kill, and the person using the religious/child shield is to blame for the consequences.
Permalink CC 
September 25th, 2009 2:09pm
Yeah, I was ready to defend Iran's claim of "peaceful use of nuclear power", when the Bush administration kept on accusing them of weaponization all the time.  After all, that's what Bush did over Iraq.

NOW it comes out that the CIA KNEW Iran had an additional reactor, and only after Iran discovers the CIA's knowledge do they admit it's existence.

And I'll have to read the link, but did they REALLY locate it under a holy shrine?

If so, even my "willing suspension of disbelief" has been violated.  They'll say anything, do anything to look "innocent", but their actions demonstrate they want nuclear weapons, and they're trying to gain the ability to manufacture nuclear weapons.

Now, hopefully the Russians will FINALLY participate in some meaningful sanctions to make it impossible for them to achieve their goal.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
September 25th, 2009 2:19pm
"Enemies of your enemies are NOT your friends."
Permalink Send private email I am not back. 
September 25th, 2009 2:31pm
The precise location is not yet known. It is 100 miles from Tehran, next to Qom, the "site of one of Shiism's most revered shrine". They are inviting the international nuclear agencies to inspect the facility, so when they do, the exact location will be known. But it seems that it is extremely close to the shrine, and Iran always builds these things as fortified underground facilities.
Permalink CC 
September 25th, 2009 2:55pm
Which would be hard to hit with a "bunker buster" without perhaps shaking down the shrine -- yeah, not good.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
September 25th, 2009 2:57pm
>for making weapons grade material

Well, that's totally dishonest.

>The plant — built in an underground tunnel complex on the grounds of an Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Base near the holy city of Qom, 100 miles southwest of Tehran — is not yet complete. Nor has any nuclear material has been introduced into the “pilot” facility, according to International Atomic Energy Agency spokesman Marc Vidricaire.  In a letter to the IAEA, Tehran “said the plant would not enrich uranium beyond the 5 percent level suitable for civilian energy production. That would be substantially below the threshold of 90 percent or more needed for a weapon,” the Associated Press reports.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/09/iran-has-a-secret-nuke-plant

>He insisted Iran was acting within the boundaries of IAEA rules, saying it does not need to inform the agency of any new site until 180 days before any nuclear material is placed within it.

>Iran's letter to the UN watchdog, the IAEA, on Monday informed it that "a new pilot fuel enrichment plant is under construction".

>Iran told the agency that no nuclear material had been introduced into the plant, and enrichment levels would only be high enough to make nuclear fuel, not a bomb.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8274903.stm

So. The IAEA rules state that no one has to make any declaration of refining and processing facilities until 6 months *before* they go into operation. Yet when someone follows that rule, they get acused of hiding shit.
Permalink Peter 
September 25th, 2009 4:24pm
I'll give you $1000 if you show me on this thread where I accused Iran of hiding shit.

If you can't find it, I am coming to your house tonight to sodomize you.

Deal?
Permalink CC 
September 25th, 2009 4:33pm
Ah, Peter has the straight-skinny apparently (that's what we in the Navy called the unvarnished truth).

Though having heard an interview with Amadinejad on NPR recently where he calmly lied through his teeth about the election, torture, political prisoners, and the press, it's difficult to cut Iran some slack.  However, this is serious stuff.

American news has slanted this, that only after Iran learned the CIA knew about the base, did they admit they had it.  What you've linked to puts a new complexion on the piece.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
September 25th, 2009 4:38pm
And now, having read the link, it STILL sounds like Iran is designing a nuclear weapon, using civilian reactors as a cover.

Still, if IAEA inspectors are put on the scene, civilian reactors it could be.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
September 25th, 2009 4:42pm
Iran has warhead designs, complete and built. It's no secret in the intelligence community. All that is missing is the fuel, which obviously they are going to refine. This high capacity facility is ideal for producing weapons grade material.
Permalink CC 
September 25th, 2009 4:56pm
Obama and other world leaders have referred to the site as a secret (hidden) nuclear site.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090925/ap_on_go_pr_wh/g20_summit_obama_iran_35

> The facility is on a military base controlled by Iran's Revolutionary Guards, according to a document that the Obama administration sent to U.S. lawmakers. The military connection could undermine Iran's contention that the plant was designed for civilian purposes.
Permalink CC 
September 25th, 2009 5:01pm
CC, you claimed it was for making weapon grade uranium.

Most of the recent news claims it is a "secret" yet our spy agencies have known about the place for the last 3 years.

>U.S. President Barack Obama and the leaders of Britain and France accused Iran on Friday of building a secret nuclear fuel plant and threatened tough new sanctions unless Tehran comes clean about its nuclear program.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/25/AR2009092502163.html

>At a hastily arranged news conference held as world leaders met here at the Group of 20 summit, Mr. Obama said the United States had evidence that Iran has been building "a covert uranium enrichment facility" for several years and that "the size and configuration of this facility is inconsistent with a peaceful program."
http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=2032370

>Iranian nuclear site has been under surveillance since 2006
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/6231906/Iranian-nuclear-site-has-been-under-surveillance-since-2006.html

>U.S. intelligence officials said today that they have known about a newly disclosed Iranian nuclear facility for several years...
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iran-nuclear-site26-2009sep26,0,1423460.story?track=rss

They won't tell the public what they mean by "inconsistent with a peaceful program" other than we should trust them. Like we trusted them when they claimed that Iraq had WMD on every street corner and could launch missiles in 45 minutes, and do we want our first warning to be a mushroom cloud over new york city. 

Fuck that shit. I don't believe amenanutjob anymore than I believe bush. However nutjob hasn't invaded any country, while bush lied to get us bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan. So when any of the people who supported bush start yammering about amadineblab, I reach for a gun.
Permalink Peter 
September 25th, 2009 5:03pm
OK, so Obama is lying and we can't trust him.
Permalink CC 
September 25th, 2009 5:15pm
Fortunately, the Iranians tell the truth. For example the recent Holocaust remarks.
Permalink CC 
September 25th, 2009 5:15pm
They'd informed IAEA about this facility. So Obama can go fuck himself.
Permalink Moshe Van Koskesh 
September 25th, 2009 6:38pm
>If so, even my "willing suspension of disbelief" has been
>violated.  They'll say anything, do anything to look
>"innocent", but their actions demonstrate they want nuclear
>weapons, and they're trying to gain the ability to manufacture
>nuclear weapons.


They need nukes to protect themselves.

America has NEVER and WILL NEVER invade anybody that has nukes.

America has demonstrated both the willingness and ability to invade Iran. For fuck's sake it has invaded TWO OF HER NEIGHBORS.

Why? So it can build its empire.

Iran is developing nukes for self defense. They don't actually want to USE them. They just want to ensure that they can.

They're not going to nuke Israel. They're not going to nuke New York. If they ever nuke anything it will be an invading American army hell bent on taking down the country the SAME WAY IRAQ was taken down and for the SAME imperialist reasons.

And if they did, I wouldn't be crying any tears over the dead soldiers.
Permalink Colm 
September 26th, 2009 1:31pm
Iran also doesn't really want to have nuclear weapons, they just want to make it so they can have nuclear weapons.

It's an insurance policy. And one well worth having.

Were I in charge I would do the same thing.
Permalink Colm 
September 26th, 2009 1:32pm
>Iran has warhead designs, complete and built. It's no secret
>in the intelligence community.

How the fuck do you know?
Permalink Colm 
September 26th, 2009 1:33pm
Because I know this sort of shit, OK?
Permalink CC 
September 26th, 2009 1:59pm
Well I can't argue with that kind of evidence, can I?
Permalink Colm 
September 26th, 2009 2:02pm

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