Sanding our assholes with 150 grit.

Is he justified?

This has caused some interesting conversation on the boondocks forum. What is y'all take on it here?

http://www.whas11.com/sharedcontent/VideoPlayer/videoPlayer.php?vidId=49293&catId=49
Permalink Send private email Jason T. 
February 4th, 2006 11:42pm
Very attractive reporter.
Permalink Send private email Bot 
February 4th, 2006 11:57pm
:) Thoght that wasn't the response I was expecting that thought did cross my mind.
Permalink Send private email Jason T. 
February 5th, 2006 12:02am
> Very attractive reporter.

He could use a nicer tie.
Permalink son of parnas 
February 5th, 2006 12:06am
Reporter, not anchorman....Sissy boy.
Permalink Send private email Bot 
February 5th, 2006 12:09am
> Reporter, not anchorman....Sissy boy.

Boy?
Permalink son of parnas 
February 5th, 2006 12:10am
Bah. Purest stupidity on the part of the teacher. Normally I'd challenge that the kid didn't inflame the situation, but if the teacher's been suspended before (considering how hard it is to get a public school teacher suspended) then I'm willing to believe the kid.

I wonder if the teacher thought he was "being cool" - "Why don't you just sit down, nigga?"

Having said that, I would like to observe that a lot of blacks are really increasing racial tension with this - they'll toss around "nigga" all day long, but rip a white person's head off if they go near the term.

Finally, I found the whole use of the phrase "the n-word" in the newscast as silly. Just say "racial epithet" or "slur" or "term."

Philo <- cracka
Permalink Send private email Philo 
February 5th, 2006 12:18am
I think it was just plain wrong of the teacher to use the term. Taking his race and age into it, in saying that to a young black male is just askin' for trouble and he should have known that.

But beyond that regardless of what race he may have been a teacher shouldn't stoop down to a student's level in this context to make a point and use the word. Afterall, he is a teacher and what is he teaching by responding in that manner? He's supposed to be an example. I wonder what the students will take from this, especially with the attention it has attracted now.
Permalink Send private email Jason T. 
February 5th, 2006 12:30am
i agree with the teacher that there's a difference between the words "nigger" and "nigga".  his mistake is in thinking the difference is one of pronunciation.

the way he used it implied the former, not the latter.
Permalink Kenny 
February 5th, 2006 1:37am
He isn't racist but he sure is out of touch.
Permalink IMesh 
February 5th, 2006 3:31am
Woman, is the Nigger of the World.

Or someone with round glasses once opined.
Permalink Send private email Simon Lucy 
February 5th, 2006 5:53am
Waaaaaaay out of touch there, Mr Teacher, Sir. The boy gunning for the teacher's job seemed vindictive until hints to the back story emerged.

Could ol' teach have said boy instead? This one would have:

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/tvone_story_skin/509060?format=html

BTW How come it takes 2 to read the news? Hot spare?
Permalink trollop 
February 5th, 2006 7:07am
That seems like possibly bullying or demeaning by the teacher.  He may have thought the kid was tough and was getting tough back, but it's blatantly stupid on his part.

I don't know how clueless this guy genuinely is, but everybody knows you can't use any pronunciation of the 'N' word, if you are white.

No, he's not justified in using it.  Man, I don't know how these teachers get away with this sh*t.  hahaha.  Terrible.
Permalink LinuxOrBust 
February 5th, 2006 8:22am
You shouldn't really say 'boy' either if you are white, but maybe 'c'mon boys' to a group is okay.  Or maybe if you have a Canadian accent or something like that.
Permalink LinuxOrBust 
February 5th, 2006 8:26am
It's funny that 'boy' in the 50's was still kinda okay for some reason.  Like it could still be used affectionately and with respect (by ignorant whites), but now it's a dirty word.
Permalink LinuxOrBust 
February 5th, 2006 8:29am
There is a cultural difference on "boy", here it's not much more than the speaker claiming greater age in a patronising manner. I should have remembered this:

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/17/1082140111517.html

Sypnosis: a local TV anchor tried praising a younger Muhammad Ali by saying "I like the boy!" and there was a frozen moment or two.  I should have remembered, it's a pretty famous cultural mismesh that video never forgot.

I presume "girl" carries similar spin. In a school setting "boy" and "girl" are routinely applied to kids by teachers to channel authority. It grates on the kids (it's meant to) but it's no big deal.
Permalink trollop 
February 5th, 2006 9:03am
I think the US needs to get some sand out it's vagina, to borrow and expression from Cartman.
Permalink Eric Debois 
February 5th, 2006 9:41am
Right.  Boy is okay if it really is a boy, as in this case.

It's just odd how teachers are supposed to be nurturers and he surely scarred that kid.  I mean, he did it with other people in the room no less.  He just doesn't get it, he doesn't understand that he psychologically harmed the kid as bad as he did.
Permalink LinuxOrBust 
February 5th, 2006 9:45am
He's gotta apologize if he is going to keep teaching that same class.  That's the key.

The U.S. has a history of infamous acts, back when, like murdering a black boy for making a sexual comment to a white girl - famous case, and they didn't just kill back then, they tortured.  That's why we have hate crime laws now.
Permalink LinuxOrBust 
February 5th, 2006 9:50am
"That's why we have hate crime laws now."

That's right - because killing a black guy because he's black is worse than killing a black guy for his wallet.

Philo
Permalink Send private email Philo 
February 5th, 2006 10:17am
> Boy is okay if it really is a boy, as in this case.

And how do you know that?
Permalink son of parnas 
February 5th, 2006 10:25am
"because killing a black guy because he's black is worse than killing a black guy for his wallet."

"And how do you know that?"

hehe.  I don't know.  I wouldn't refer to him directly as boy, son maybe.  Would only refer to him as a boy to another adult.
Permalink LinuxOrBust 
February 5th, 2006 10:50am
Actually, this stuff can get extreme either way.

When I was maybe 8 or 9 and in cub scouts, I said to this kids brother "who is that boy playing outside?"  Anyway, I got punched in the stomach for saying that on at least five different occasions - his mother was scout leader and no more than 10 ft. away..  The kid was about 4 yrs. old and barely looked black if that, his brother was Phillipino.

That was extreme - 4 yrs. old is a boy!

No, then I got to go home with the kid that wanted to fight me every day because I was White.  I fought or ran, depending on the day.  Never assume you have it worse because you are Black.  I was endlessly chosen out for fights growing up because it looks good if you can stand up to a tall white kid.

Hitting a Black kid, growing up, get gets you zero social points, but hitting a White kid is empowering.  hehe.  That's my only explanation for it.

I just learned to walk away, no one chases you when you are no longer afraid, nor have anything to prove.  It's only fun when they can take something from you.
Permalink LinuxOrBust 
February 5th, 2006 11:24am
The teacher's job is to keep his cool and not use any demeaning language including "boy." It's not an easy job when being taunted and egged on by 13-16 year olds (the most anti-authoritarian age). It's a good reason I wouldn't want to be a teacher of JHS or HS.

It's amazing the teacher's defending himself - he should be fired because he believs what he did was correct.
Permalink bring in da punk 
February 5th, 2006 2:32pm
I'm reminded of a Lenny Bruce routine, where he said "blah-blah-blah" on stage, and was arrested for it.

And in the courtroom the judge and the lawyer had a little interchange, where they kept repeating what he had said.

Lenny pointed out they seemed to be getting off on repeating the word, again and again.

All that nice white-wash with the kid holding the trophy's, and being an honor roll student, was sweet, but didn't really address the facts of the matter.

Probably the teacher shouldn't have said it, and should have had some disciplinary action -- minimally be told NEVER to say that word, in ANY of its forms, again.  As a middle-aged white male teacher, he doesn't have the street cred to pull off either version. 

What does a suspension of the teacher achieve?  What does all this press achieve?
Permalink AllanL5 
February 5th, 2006 5:23pm
>>> where he said "blah-blah-blah" on stage

Why can't you either say he uttered some obscenties, or quote the words he actually said. I spent a good 2 or 3 seconds trying to figure out why he would be arrested for saying "blah-blah-blah."

Moron
Permalink Notorious 
February 5th, 2006 6:26pm
"All that nice white-wash with the kid holding the trophy's, and being an honor roll student, was sweet, but didn't really address the facts of the matter."

Well, in a "he said/she said" case then the character of the people making assertions can be indicative of where the truth lies, and when it's an honor student vs a teacher with previous suspensions, I do have a feeling who I'm more likely to believe.

Philo
Permalink Send private email Philo 
February 5th, 2006 6:36pm
Moron, yourself, Notorious,

In the Lenny Bruce routine, he actually said "blah-blah-blah", because it was for saying what he said in the first place that he was convicted for obscenity in 1964.

Note he didn't say the actual words he was arrested for, in his comedy routine about being arrested.  Instead, he said "I was arrested for saying blah-blah-blah".

As a result, I don't really know what he said, that got him arrested in 1964.
Permalink AllanL5 
February 5th, 2006 7:06pm
Top of the search

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/bruce/bruceaccount.html
Permalink trollop 
February 6th, 2006 8:35am
Yes I did watch and wonder as the Person In Question dug his own grave.

What's wrong with you people you can't say "I fucked up just then, can we take it from the top?"
Permalink trollop 
February 6th, 2006 8:38am
Ah, so it's George Carlin's seven dirty words that got him.  Sad.

On the one hand, you could say that our society's willingness to let Howard Stern get away with stuff on a daily basis, that would put Lenny in jail, is a symptom of our society's decline.

On the other hand, you could use the exact same evidence to point to our society's health.

Where should the protection lie?  Should it be up to judges and officials and Church leaders to define what is decent, and protect us from what they consider indecent?

Or is it up to the individual?

Certainly, there should be some balance between the two.  I find our balance these days MUCH superior to the repressive 1950's, though.
Permalink AllanL5 
February 6th, 2006 9:28am
Anyone who thinks that Howard Stern is a symptom of society's decline obviously hasn't listened to his show.

George W. Bush is a much greater symptom of society's decline than an intelligent, honest "tell it like it is" figure like Howard Stern.
Permalink Send private email Dana 
February 6th, 2006 11:44am
"intelligent, honest "tell it like it is" figure like Howard Stern"
<obligatory cheap shot>
So it's official.  HS loves lesbians, lesbians love HS.
</obligatory cheap shot>

Apologies to all concerned.  I'm really, really sorry.  I need more sleep.
Permalink Send private email John Haren 
February 6th, 2006 11:47am

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