Y'all are a bunch of wankers!

penny wise pound foolish

"self employed people need to be mindful about spending resources and time in activities that aren't fruitful to their economic survival" - Bored

I think this sort of reasoning is used to excuse not spending money on 'frivolous things'. But I think literalist programmers often don't see the benefit of things that are not "directly relevant". A tech book, or conference admission might be seen as relevant. But what about spending the weekend clubhopping and getting drunk? Maybe even getting laid? Or just going on a vacation. Or doing woodworking or learning to play the guitar. That would be seen as not relevant. However, I claim that those sorts of things will be MORE helpful to the stuck programmer than diving deeper into the problem domain.

CEOs play golf and golf pays dividends. That doesn't make sense to literalist programmers, but it is how things work.
Permalink Scott 
May 19th, 2010 2:25pm
Spending a weekend getting drunk & club hopping are separate economic activities from getting laid?

You spend money to get laid in ways that don't involve getting drunk & club hopping? You spend money on activities that lead directly & predictably to getting laid?

(you can see where I'm going with this)
Permalink Half name 
May 19th, 2010 2:28pm
There are no simple formulas.

Sometimes spending money (time, and other resources) now will save money in the future, but then maybe you won't have a future if you do.

Sometimes it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission, but then maybe you won't be forgiven because your actions really caused collateral damages.

Luckily we have free markets (not Free Market (tm))
Permalink Why the world is so complicated? 
May 19th, 2010 2:41pm
Motion is the most important thing.

If you're absorbing information, but remain stagnant, that information is useless.

If you're active, learning how to do what you're doing better is useful.
Permalink Half name 
May 19th, 2010 2:48pm
What I am saying is that, I agree with Bored's quote that I started out with, but I agree with it by understanding that "activities that are fruitful to your economic survival" can very well include clubbing, dating, vacationing, and woodworking, ESPECIALLY when there are no forms of leisure or fun at all in your current schedule. And I don't mean gaming or posting on the net as leisure activities. I mean getting out into reality and/or talking to real people, not other programmers.
Permalink Scott 
May 19th, 2010 2:53pm
Example, I've been stuck and frustrated and have been skipping invites to social affairs for some time because I couldn't "justify" the loss of time.

However, when I finally gave in and spent a day away from computers, I came back refreshed, and suddenly the solution to several problems that had been bothering me from months were quite trivial, tiny things, rather than impossible to understand blocks.
Permalink Scott 
May 19th, 2010 2:55pm
Scott, I understand and agree entirely.

Half Name said this:

>> Motion is the most important thing.
>> If you're absorbing information, but remain stagnant, that information is useless.
>> If you're active, learning how to do what you're doing better is useful.

This is exactly where I am coming from.

I don't see the "summit" presentation we discussed in the other two threads as useful in the ways that you're describing. Because the information generally isn't actionable. And it is contains overload of concepts. And it's not leisure - it's something that you feel obliged to pay attention to.

IMO it's the opposite of productive leisure. You go to BoS and hear a seminar that makes you worry about omitting things or neglecting things in your business.

I believe that a cruise, a beach vacation, or a ski trip would be more productive to clear the decks and recharge mental batteries.

I guess I'm just not a big fan of podcasts, presentations and videos in general. Reading and doing are where the learning reinforcement come into play.

I think a presentation like this makes someone *feel* much better than they actually *got*. A temporary elation that wears off quickly when you return to your day to day swamp.

But I'm not her audience, either.
Permalink Send private email Bored Bystander 
May 19th, 2010 3:04pm
By the way, I'm only advocating "booze, coke and whores" as helpful because this is CoT. In real life, the only "nightclub" we have around here is the VFW (Veterans of Foreign Wars) club, and the social events I am talking about for myself are a Ruritan Bean Supper.
Permalink Scott 
May 19th, 2010 3:12pm
Further details... the watershed event at the last event was I was advising a lady who had recently moved to this area  on what sort of dairy cow she should buy for home milking.
Permalink Scott 
May 19th, 2010 3:14pm
Jersey cow by the way, they are the most docile and produce less milk, which is what you want since one cow is way more than most families can handle, but this lady and her husband were following the christian "quiverfull" teachings and trying to pump out the kids, so they probably do go through that much milk and butter daily.
Permalink Scott 
May 19th, 2010 3:16pm

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